If there is value and it is given without commitment, is commitment then required?
Commitment would probably be required
from the person who is attached
to the value. I'm thinking about if someone wasn't attached/dependent on the value, then why would they seek commitment? It would only weigh them down.
Get men to understand their value and value themselves and this discussion takes on a different note, with the same rules and boundaries but entirely different results.
females do not need or require a male to solely commit to them, all they need is to know that their needs for value are being fulfilled and where that value is coming from *now*.
Yeah, men would shift from "hoping to be chosen" to becoming more of "the choosers".
To the second part of this quote - it makes me think of they saying around here, "finish how you start". Peregrinus, will elaborate more on what you meant here?
I also find it curious that they are so willing to be sacrifical lambs, I'd say "no you do it".
It got them into that group. It was the position they had to take to be apart of the group. They get value from it, even if they are the sacrificial lamb. If they chose not to take on that role, they would have to be ok not being apart of that group and that seems to be scary or uncomfortable for a lot of people. Peregrinus said this already. I wanted to elaborate on it a little.
On a side-note, I thought about what would happen if say one of the middle valued girls in this group ended up sleeping with you somehow. She would then possibly be promoted to a higher rank. She would have more insight on you then all the other girls have, which gives her more value, which raises her "status".
On the other side, if a lower level girl from this group slept with you (one of the sacrificial lambs) it could possibly increase her rank within the group, or it could give her a momentary increase in status and on the flip-side they now labeled you and put you in a box as "someone who sleeps with low rank lamb". This cracks me up as I'm typing it! Mostly, because I can see it and it makes sense, but also because it feels so silly!!!
To add to peregrinus, I would say commitment is any abandonment to the flow of the situation, no matter how small. They use "bait" to determine in which way they can redirect you. To commit is to be static, you're consciously holding a position that doesn't fit reality. It's like when water gets seperated from the river. It goes into little puddles to dry up.
Bait can be anything, that lulls you into a obligated routine. It could be as simple as training you to pick a seat beside them. If you begin to feel guilty about not doing something, then they have got through your defenses.
Really good point.
To add to this. I've been thinking why I do the things I do at times and it led me to see where I subtilely am doing things out of a place of reaction. For example, when I first came on board here I began to play the game by the book - looking for places where girls were playing games and where I could counter-attack. To me, this even a subtle form of being reactive, because I'm reacting to her actions.
The flip-side to me is me coming from a place of being real and doing the things I want to do in the moment. If I'm coming from that place and happily fall into one of her small traps, so be it, maybe I lost the ball for a little bit, but it's all okay to me if I'm enjoying myself and it was what I wanted to do. Naturally the ball will come back, if I'm the man I present myself to be and it won't have to be a calculated move, it'll just happen the way it should, or I get to find out she isn't who she really is portraying herself to be.
This has been on my mind a lot lately and is big for me, because it takes the focus off of them and the games and more on myself and enjoying myself while I'm here. I think it's definitely to have an awareness of what's going on before the scenes, because that helps give us more choices and to recognize when we're being manipulated. *peeling off the layers*
There is a synchronicity here, as I have been thinking about white flags and submission after the last few posts... commitment definitely is the wrong word... which is another problem..
Submission of frame.
Conditioning has made them think they want us to submit, but deep down they're the ones who need to let go. It's been said here before, the more a woman can let go and submit to her partner, the more she can enjoy it fully.
Do you think they really want submission of frame?