Natural Freedom

letting go of the past & negative emotions in order to become your own best friend & Free ain't easy...
Sure wasn't easy for me

I found this book very helpful in regards to letting go...

'surrendering' is the same as 'allowing' (in GP walsh's JAI course)
The Sedona method & The Abundance course also talk about the same concepts.

This book gave me another angle on letting go (sometimes even the most simple things need repetition or to be looked at from a different angle...)

I'm also a big fan of Lester Levenson and everything that was passed on after him.
Some say David Hawkins and Lester developed the sedona method together but later went their separate ways, some say they just exchanged some ideas, but it doesn't matter.

The concept of allowing\letting go is as old as Buddha and maybe even before him.

Just a note: This book does not talk about letting go with the three questions (sedona method\the abundance course style) but more diving into the experience (like GP talks about).

I don't like comparing between methods I just had to explain that even if someone already read the sedona method book or did the abundance course or the JAI course-
he can still get value out of this book.

If you never did sedona method or the abundance course or the JAI course- you can still read this book, apply it and Maybe you won't need anything else.

The idea (letting go\allowing) is the same but there are different styles\ways of explaining\teaching it...

'Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender by David R. Hawkins'

http://www.amazon.com/Letting-Go-Surren ... 8&sr=&qid=

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Hey I used to have this book!

A really intresting part was where he says that in order to have something you want you have to give up wanting it, because wanting implies that you don't have it, and you send out a "needy" vibe. Whats your take on that?

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Hmmm I really feel I should get this book. I meet it regularly even outside this forum and I like all of Dr. Hawkins' talks.
Maybe I will try to find it on the onions

It tells you to face it, the turdular.

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It's a bit confusing...

giving up 'wanting' is giving up the attachment to something.
It's not that you are supposed to not want but rather: give up the attachment to it.

a better way to put it is:

attachment creates lack (which creates you not having 'it') and stops you from having freedom.

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You said the same thing with other words.

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I know because the confusion lies within the words. It also confused me at first....

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Soon...

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Excellent !! I understand now why this is your favorite book, and I'm only half into it. It’s simplicity is it’s greatness. Thank you.

I read through the book and personally like the gp Walsh free book and the information available on this site better. Probably just have a low tolerance for chakras, energy, affirmations, auras and other magical things, outside of Naruto.

The problem with all of these books, teachers, methods and courses is ultimately you have to walk the path yourself, it will be unique to you and there will be no shortcuts. That's my current view anyway.

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To each his own.

I don't think you really read the book. David R. Hawkins doesn't say there are shortcuts and he doesn't talk about
playing with your chakras, energy or auras.

He also doesn't say there are shortcuts to going into a feeling and allowing it (which isn't an easy thing when dealing with tough emotions)

If you don't like the book that's fine but at least make an honest review and don't put your own spin on a book that I don't think you even read according to what you say here.

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Hawkins also mentions that one can use escapism as
a temporary tool and do the releasing when the acute
phase is over.

By the by excellent chapter;
19, Achievement of Vocational Goals.

The Laws of Consciousness;

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 656#p32150

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I read to the point he started talking about emotional energy levels and which chakras correspond, the scale of emotions in chapter 3 and skimmed through the rest using the table of contents to goto sections I thought would be most useful. I didn't mean to give the impression that I studied it at length, you are right about that Sniper. Also I am not saying there is nothing good in this book, the technique for letting go in chapter 2 was the highlight to me but like I said I preferred the other sources I mentioned.

My point about shortcuts was not a criticism aimed at this book in particular but at people like myself who throughout their lives have been waiting for a savior or a guide and always looking for the gospel outside. My point is people follow that finger to the ends of the earth without ever seeing the moon. They go from idea to idea always needing a lifeguard because they are afraid to swim in the ocean on their own. My point is it is up to ourselves to figure our what to take with us, what to leave behind, what works and what doesn't. If we want a guru we need to look in the mirror, that is our only hope.

I will check out the chapter on vocation, that is one I skipped.

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“The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” — Marcus Aurelius

all the scale of emotions and the other stuff he talks about are just a 'map' or a 'compass'
if someone sees that he is hanging out in apathy grief or fear most of the time then he has a pointer where he is at.

after working for a while on your emotions you can pull the chart and see that you moved higher- to higher levels of energy like courageousness .
this is so you know you are making progress

some people are more logical and need a map, if you tell them:
just go into your emotions they won't know if they are making progress or not.

so the theoretical stuff is just a 'map' or a 'compass'- to see where you are and where you are going.
it's not 'the ship'

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I didn't want to get into specific criticisms because who am I to make them and I do not want people to engage in any cognitive dissonance. However it irritated me that the purported goal of the process was freedom from negative emotions and stress. The author was claimed to be enlightened in the forward of the book, which sets off all kinds of bells and whistles for me. The highest "energy level" in that map was peace, also described as perfection. Basically the map is shit to me because I do not want those things and even if it wasn't I think it wouldn't work. You have to walk your own path. Being logical is actually a benefit because you will be more able to see things objectively. Use what I have learned, experienced to spring board into the deep end, to become lost, those are my goals. Fuck any maps.

What I am trying to say is the finger and the moon.

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“The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” — Marcus Aurelius

angry?




Lester Levenson also talked about the chart of emotions

In the end you won't need it, but beginners find it very helpful (I know I did...)

If you don't like it you don't have to use it, in the book he tried go give as much information as possible.
So people who need it can use it, people who don't like it don't have to use it....

He didn't write the book just for you 'caster'

he wanted the book to be helpful to as many people as possible and some people find it useful and use it,
some don't need it....

Question is why are you angry?

BTW

This is the chart from Lester Levenson, I used to hang out a lot in anger, pride and grief

the chart helped me a lot to see where I am

Of course each feeling has a detailed explanation in the programs\books based on Lester's teachings, this is just a summery

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I was angry over the ten dollars for the kindle book, all the people profiting off of the suffering of others (not just in the eastern mysticism realm but pua, cults, self help etc.) and the realization that this book wasn't what I wanted, which was the answers neatly packaged and ready to digest. Also anger over not realizing it sooner, or falling back into those old sheep traps. In the end the book was probably worth the price for coming to terms with the answer always being inside. Thank you, it's time for me to read less and press the ground more.

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“The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” — Marcus Aurelius

Knowledge comes from people around you, (how to build x)
wisdom comes from inside.

edit ; There is only one kind of freedom; self-freedom.

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its alright
I wish all the books were free
but people who devote themselves to spiritual teachings also need to make aliving.

10 dollars aint that much man

its not a pua boot camp that costs 2500$

and yes the answers are inside but sometimes we need a map.

I know I did

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