Ok, this question is specifically aimed at Kidd/Grinus, but I value the rest of you guys and your feedback, so any and all input is appreciated.
I get the gist of ball stealing. I've done it pretty successfully several times now. I even answered a question about it here:
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That said, I keep coming back to this Kidd post though, which is very interesting to me:
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The ball stealing I've done has been more along the lines of: girl I'm hanging out with/dating decides to get uppity or test me in some way, and I just break her test into pieces, demonstrating very obviously my possession of the ball.
I guess its not even so much that I'm actually stealing the ball from her, its more like I've quietly had possession of the ball, but I'm just calmly walking about the court slowly dribbling the ball, not dunking in her face or anything. Then girl all of the sudden tries to grab the ball from me, and I react quickly, throw the hard crossover, and streak past her to the basket all of the sudden. I would have been content to just keep walking around the court calmly with the ball, but her trying to lunge at it to take it from me prompted my action, and my crossover and dunk made it obvious that I had possession and wasn't giving it up.
That all seems pretty easy to do - its really just treat people accordingly 101 kind of stuff.
Now, I have been seeing quite a few girls, and seem to meet new ones who are hot for me quite often, so its no problem to kick girls to the curb if they don't behave right. I've only really been dealing with the ones who make it quite easy for me from the get go, so no need to steal the ball, or even really demonstrate my possession of it. Like these are girls who are so into me that they visibly get flustered just by my presence. Its really very easy with these chicks, and they're decent looking and cool enough, but they're really not knocking my socks off, and I'm getting bored of them.
Anyway, met a girl this past weekend who seems to have a bit more potential. She seems cooler than the normal girls I've been dealing with, and she's definitely more attractive. Not coincidentally, she is also quite a bit more composed in my presence. She wants to hang out with me, but she also has made it clear she wants to do the "get to know you by going on a few dates" thing. She suggested that we hang out, and I proposed the day/time/location. Went on the "first date" with her tonight - we each bought our own drinks for the first round, then she bought both of us a drink in our second round. All this communicates to me that she's not trying to be manipulative/bitchy - she's genuinely interested, but just wants to do this whole date thing for a bit to get comfortable with me.
So, by agreeing to her frame and going along with this date thing, I'm kind of letting her dictate the terms a bit. Its not an unpleasant frame since she's not being manipulative or bitchy in any way, and she's contributing at least her fair share, but it is still her frame. If she were to start acting up, then I would blast her, but I don't think she'll act up.
After all that, my question is - what would be a good way to go about this whole ball stealing thing based on this situation?
Kidd - when you went on dates/called your girl first/met her mother/waited a month to sleep with her - how did that all play out exactly? How did you eventually steal the ball and demonstrate possession? When did that happen? Was it overt, or subtle? Was it a single event, or just a vibe that changed over time? Was it something you planned, or something that just happened in the moment. Any tips/recommendations/lessons learned?
As usual, thanks for any and all feedback and insights.