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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:28 pm 
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A fact I heared (from an doctor in something I don't remember, and leader of an organization in my country where people can go/call/whatever when they suffer from feeling Lonely often/alot) and found interesting about the feeling of Loneliness:
She stated that science have found that this feeling is a biological reaction of the body, which is there primairely for survival reasons.

The reason being, that we as people (used to) need other people to help us to protect against enemies (animals as well as other groups of people). Therefore when the body and mind organism notices the following described feeling, it will create a feeling of loneliness in us to motivate us to take action to change that. The body and mind organism comes in action when it feels that we are not connected with others.

This also declares why some people having a large social group, can feel loneliness. While a peorson that lives without any friends, can have no or little feelings arising of loneliness.
Why?
Because it's correlated with how connected you feel with others. Therefore someone with a large social group can feel like he/she is not well connected with them. While the person that lives without friends can feel like he is connected with the society, or all people. And therefore the body and mind organism will not create the feeling of loneliness in the body and mind organism.

Now the reason of this feeling and why it is not directly correlated between the amout of friends people have. Made sense to me, from looking back how I have experienced this feeling over my life so far.
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P.S. Some figures about this. Where I come from about 8% of the younger people often have long amount of times and strong feelings of loneliness. And about 12% off the older people. There is not much difference in the amounts between men and women according to the statistics.

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I heard that in America people feel more lonely than in other parts of the world...

I don't live in America and I'll use America as an example but it's pretty much the same all over the world now....

from what I read on the subject when people became less religious and left the Church they became more lonely and anxious. On one hand people wanted the 'every man for himself' approach but that came with a price....

It also has to do with the transfer from rural areas\ villages to the city.

When most people lived in rural areas or villages and worked on farms there was more of a community and people helped each other.

with the move to the big cities and with the 'every man for himself' approach people became more lonely and anxious. So some people did make more money and maybe lived a better life
from a materialistic point of view- but it did come with a price.

the better life (from a materialistic point of view) is something that can change esp. in today's day and age where the economy is so fragile. So with the every man for himself
attitude the fear from the future is much more dominant.

Since people don't live in communities anymore the feeling of loneliness is felt more and maybe that is another reason people are more obsessed with the opposite sex- maybe living in the city without a community and with the 'every man for himself' approach is not natural after all....

just a thought :geek:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:01 pm 
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Sniper wrote:
I heard that in America people feel more lonely than in other parts of the world...

I don't live in America and I'll use America as an example but it's pretty much the same all over the world now....

from what I read on the subject when people became less religious and left the Church they became more lonely and anxious. On one hand people wanted the 'every man for himself' approach but that came with a price....

It also has to do with the transfer from rural areas\ villages to the city.

When most people lived in rural areas or villages and worked on farms there was more of a community and people helped each other.

with the move to the big cities and with the 'every man for himself' approach people became more lonely and anxious. So some people did make more money and maybe lived a better life
from a materialistic point of view- but it did come with a price.

the better life (from a materialistic point of view) is something that can change esp. in today's day and age where the economy is so fragile. So with the every man for himself
attitude the fear from the future is much more dominant.

Since people don't live in communities anymore the feeling of loneliness is felt more and maybe that is another reason people are more obsessed with the opposite sex- maybe living in the city without a community and with the 'every man for himself' approach is not natural after all....

just a thought :geek:
Not bad...that may help explain the high incidences of depression and mental illness around here. Another reason why becoming your own best friend can be so beneficial! :mrgreen:

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scarface wrote:
She stated that science have found that this feeling is a biological reaction of the body, which is there primairely for survival reasons.

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The body and mind organism comes in action when it feels that we are not connected with others.

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This also declares why some people having a large social group, can feel loneliness. While a peorson that lives without any friends, can have no or little feelings arising of loneliness.
Why?
Because it's correlated with how connected you feel with others. Therefore someone with a large social group can feel like he/she is not well connected with them. While the person that lives without friends can feel like he is connected with the society, or all people. And therefore the body and mind organism will not create the feeling of loneliness in the body and mind organism.
This is very true, from my observations and life experiences and discussions with others (reading between the lines).

You can exist alone and not feel lonely. As Kidd says, be your best friend.
If you are connected well enough to yourself, the need for others retreats.

In the end in my view it boils down to one thing, looking for others to fill that hole in you. If there is no hole you have no need for others to fill it, you have filled it yourself.

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peregrinus wrote:
scarface wrote:
She stated that science have found that this feeling is a biological reaction of the body, which is there primairely for survival reasons.

--

The body and mind organism comes in action when it feels that we are not connected with others.

--

This also declares why some people having a large social group, can feel loneliness. While a peorson that lives without any friends, can have no or little feelings arising of loneliness.
Why?
Because it's correlated with how connected you feel with others. Therefore someone with a large social group can feel like he/she is not well connected with them. While the person that lives without friends can feel like he is connected with the society, or all people. And therefore the body and mind organism will not create the feeling of loneliness in the body and mind organism.
This is very true, from my observations and life experiences and discussions with others (reading between the lines).

You can exist alone and not feel lonely. As Kidd says, be your best friend.
If you are connected well enough to yourself, the need for others retreats.

In the end in my view it boils down to one thing, looking for others to fill that hole in you. If there is no hole you have no need for others to fill it, you have filled it yourself.
'Grinus, I love you in the most non-homoerotic way that is humanly possible. :mrgreen:

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peregrinus wrote:
You can exist alone and not feel lonely. As Kidd says, be your best friend.
If you are connected well enough to yourself, the need for others retreats.

In the end in my view it boils down to one thing, looking for others to fill that hole in you. If there is no hole you have no need for others to fill it, you have filled it yourself.
This really hits me deep, after a recent fuckup with a girl I resolved that I never want to feel any better with a girl than I already do by myself, and if I do then I have to stay away from her and assess myself.

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Its done a lot of things to me too, I'm naturally quiet and reserved. But after my time in the community I felt that I had to be loud and a socialite. I still am on occasion, but most of the time I'm very reserved and have no need for social attention.
Like when I go back to my hometown for a couple weeks I'm gonna be loud and drunk as fuck for pretty much the whole time, clubs, university house parties whatever.
But the percentage of time that I spent being extroverted is like a 10th of the time I spend focusing on myself, naturally.

It's erased all the community programming I put into myself interestly enough too, it's like I wiped the slate.

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