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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:08 pm 
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Hey guys

To whomever completed this inner work program or still doing it, this is what've been experimenting so far:

I think I already did it twice and it felt, I have on problem getting in "allowing state" and in my words, it feels strange but nowadays more normal and cool. Let me explain it a bit; an immense ammount of emotional shit has been surfacing and I'm dealing with it, as GP says with dignity and with peace (being present with the energy in the body, not trying to get away or surpress it), I try to do it every night right before sleep and do it very throughly (although it may seem counterproductive) yet at the same time just being present with the triggers my mind have when hearing the voice of GP guide me. There's so much shit I have in the system that it almost seems I'm not gonna finish... :cry:
Also I've noticed that, as the old adage says: Old habits, die hard. This is because I'm noticing the destructive behaviors I have seems to want to hold more firmly (they don't want to go), but at the same time able to observe this. I confess I have a big problem with masturbation, this is "desire" or "want" to the n factor. And I realized also that I was just repressing the desire I have, now I'm experiencing it fully by being with the energy with the body awareness, and I feel a fucking fire in my belly, so hot that it feels it burns my stomach already, I remember the last time I did that I spend like 20 minutes or so with the energy, and It was an intense as when I precieved it the first time, and by the guidance of GP I just reside with the energy (not trying to repress it, not trying it go away) just stay with it, a fairly good amount of time.

So this are my questions/notes:

1. By being present with the energy, sometimes it feels that is SO ROOTED in my system that I think it will not go away. Is that a good or a bad thing? (I know in this program we are just allowing it) but... Has anyone experienced it
2. Everytime I do the excercise for wanting (girls and girfriends and all taht shit I want), I cry like a bitch and feel useless, because It seems like I'm reinforcing this victim mentality by not having it.
3. Few months ago started to date this cute girl, but I spotted I was attaching to much to her, (good morning whatsapp messages everyday form her) And I felt I have to had her, so I started to do this excercises. Note: She has a boyfriend and tells me she didn't love him, and sends me songs singing, pictures of her taking a dump (just her shoes by the way)
Honestly: Like 15 days ago I avoided her messages and have not messaged her since because I feel I can relapse and be all attached for her, which I thnk I am (it's the only girl Im having the desire and chatting with). Is this normal? I want her, I have good vibe with her, but I think I'm afraid and insecure to go along with her.
4. The most "hard" excercises form this program seems when he ask you to trigger some want, those are the most intense for me, because I always cry a lot with when the energy comes along, I know it sounds counterintuitive to ask this but. Am I doing it ok?

On the "brigh side" I'm noticing woman treat me lke a hot babe, my boss started to respecting me a lot more, started doing things for me, making conversations out of nowhere and trying to get rapport, admiring me, I think this are the side effects of "releasing" or "just allowing things as they are" but I'm feeling like I'm doing this excersices for this purpose, so I feel paradoxically wanting to get something and it also makes me confused.
Other thing, I think that I'm being, again paradoxicall good, because I first started doing this excersices again because of all the unhappyness I have to bear, and thus, seeking results. Is that ok too? ... :oops:

Anywho all I want to be, is fucking free :|
I know I have to allow this wanna be free thingy too ... Again the paradoxical nature of accepting aything in our lifes, the yang side of being.

So here they are my experiences so far.

Thank you guys for your time to read this.

Peace.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:09 pm 
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Just want to make sure you are aware that GP and I will respond to you personally in the graduate group which I recommend you join (free) as someone who has gone through JAI.

The short answer is all of that is right and fine, and it's actually the "is this allowing, is it ok that I want this stuff?" That is actually the form of resistance. Really the posture means you 100% feel the desire to punch that person in the face or have sex with whomever so fully and so unedited that it actually can just process through you and complete itself quickly which is what it naturally does. Then there becomes less and less attachment to this to the point that the actual reactions begin to either shift or just don't affect you like clouds moving by.

Also the reason JAI doesn't exist anymore separately and is included as a small part of "inner reconciliation" is because we found people getting stuck in "just allowing" everything as the only step and being somewhat passive about engaging with things, processing and triggering even tho there is the intentional triggering section. The mind really likes to latch on to things and will do that with allowing, or get dismissive. Really the game is about being able to be totally open and ability to engage like a samurai full force when it is required, getting stuck in any position is death.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:30 pm 
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Dali. why do you spend your time with this program? A course that triggers your emotions and make you cry?
Dont let anybody make you cry. Go for the things you really want. make yourself free and get yourself a harem :-)


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:50 pm 
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Midas wrote:
Dali. why do you spend your time with this program? A course that triggers your emotions and make you cry?
Dont let anybody make you cry. Go for the things you really want. make yourself free and get yourself a harem :-)


@Midas
Lol is not that I like this crying shit, I think it's just a defacto response of the system, like purging itself, manifesting in strong responses or emotions, like: sad, anger, anxiety, frustration, hoplessness and all that obscure shit that most people don't want to face or even get in contact with, or touch it with a 10 feet pole.
I think it is a lot of frustration repressed just expressing itself, no big deal, big boys do cry. :lol:
Would that be a part of getting free?, also don't want to get stuck in this process, like Flow says it could be another thing of negation or denial, and would stay in a limbo like a monk (nothing against moks tho) lol

I naturally cry a lot without much of a triggers, seems like I can do it good for a drama actor. :shock:

@the harem part sounds so good... :lol:

@Flow, thank you for your response I appreciate it.
I would contact you guys soon, in order to "advance" (if thats a good word for it)

You got any link for that site? (hope doesnt' violate the rules of the forum)
Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:29 pm 
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PM me if you want it, it is not public.

And obviously the point of this training is not to just trigger things to make you cry. Haha, I would like to hear the marketing meeting on such a premise. There is an association there and you can definitely expand this to go way beyond your emotions purging through the body this way and be more expanded.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 7:02 pm 
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Flow83 wrote:
PM me if you want it, it is not public.

And obviously the point of this training is not to just trigger things to make you cry. Haha, I would like to hear the marketing meeting on such a premise. There is an association there and you can definitely expand this to go way beyond your emotions purging through the body this way and be more expanded.


I know that, just telling Midas that it's some sort of an automatic body response when I follow the guided meditation. It's not like I always cry, sometimes I'm just so calm and still that it feels great. (mind it's just very quiet)

This is not natural grounding shit. LOL

I'll already sent you a PM

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:33 am 
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Midas wrote:
Dali. why do you spend your time with this program? A course that triggers your emotions and make you cry?
Dont let anybody make you cry. Go for the things you really want. make yourself free and get yourself a harem :-)


There is so much wrong with this. I had a long response, but it isn't necessary until you have the "the fall". Everyone on this forum who has had success advocates meditation. People tried doing meditation The Kidd!!'s way, but it was way too hard. I know I did. Sitting in a dark room with no sound or light is too hard for someone who hasn't already been meditating. If you don't even know what you're looking for it's that much harder to find the first light of inspiration about how it works.

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A quote from Mirdad's book Chapter 13 "On prayer"
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To pray, therefore, is to infuse the blood with one Master-Desire, one Master-Thought, one Master-Will. It is so to attune the self as to become in perfect harmony with whatever you pray for.
This planet’s atmosphere, mirrored in all details within your hearts, is billowing with vagrant memories of all the things it witnessed since its birth.
No word or deed; no wish or sigh; no passing thought or transient dream; no breath of man or beast; no shadow, no illusion but ply in it their mystic courses till this very day, and shall so ply them to the end of Time. Attune your heart to anyone of these, and it shall surely dash to play upon the strings.
You need no lip or tongue for praying. But rather do you need a silent, wakeful heart, a Master-Wish, a Master-Thought, and above all, a Master-Will that neither doubts nor hesitates. For words are of no avail except the heart be present and awake in every syllable. And when the heart is present and awake, the tongue had better go to sleep, or hide behind sealed lips.
Nor have you any need of temples to pray in.
Whoever cannot find a temple in his heart, the same can never find his heart in any temple.

Yet this I say to you and to the ones like you, but not to every man. For most men are derelict as yet. They feel the need of praying, but know not the, way. They cannot pray except with words, and they can find no words except you put them in their mouths. And they are lost and awed when made to roam the vastness of their hearts, but soothed and comforted within the walls of temples and in the herds of creatures like themselves.
Let them erect their temples. Let them chant out their prayers.
But you and every man I charge to pray for Understanding. To hunger after anything but that is never to be filled.

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