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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:26 am 
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panoramix wrote:
this thread is another example that dealing with 'parents past' is important key to 'grow up'. :geek:
This is something innately understood- The oldest stories cross cultures .. initiation rituals were all about breaking this dependency and relationship to the parents. Boy becomes man at risk of death, quite young by our standards. Anything even 1/20th near the intensity would be flagged for child abuse now.

When the survival of the whole community literally depends on having strong mature men present, you cannot mess around.

We have made the world safe enough to enjoy the luxury of having 20+-year-old little boys. Everything has its price.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:08 am 
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Back to narcissists,

They can help themselves, but they cannot be
forced to heal. The willingness to heal is within
the narcissist.

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W/ The difficult mother who is not a narcissist,
but butts in in everything;

30 day blackout, no communication, and start again from
day 1 if violated. Plus new rules and reinforcing your
new identity / character.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:33 pm 
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The Kidd!! wrote:
How to become completely indifferent? You just say, 'Fuck it' and mean it. Don't worry, they'll do all the heavy lifting and ammunition supplying...all you have to do is make the decision not to allow them to have any power over your life. It's all about reframing the picture. :geek:
That pretty much sums up everything you need to know bout dealing with anyone :geek:
Am I right, or am I right :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:31 am 
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Just to get back to this - I was completely fooled by my mother for a minute. Talked to her honestly and openly about shit she's done, how she's traumatized me. She told me there's no excuse, she'd do anything to fix this, she's really sorry, doesn't go a day without thinking about it. I mainly told her that what's done is done, but her drinking when I'm around her sets me off in the present.

After all of this, what happens - she's drinking every night I'm at home, and throwing a hissy fit when I'm less than happy about this and do my best to avoid her.

You really can't help a narcissist. And saying "fuck it" about her feelings is extremely hard for me, because I feel guilty about that, but it needs to be done.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:32 pm 
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moose35 wrote:
Just to get back to this - I was completely fooled by my mother for a minute. Talked to her honestly and openly about shit she's done, how she's traumatized me. She told me there's no excuse, she'd do anything to fix this, she's really sorry, doesn't go a day without thinking about it. I mainly told her that what's done is done, but her drinking when I'm around her sets me off in the present.

After all of this, what happens - she's drinking every night I'm at home, and throwing a hissy fit when I'm less than happy about this and do my best to avoid her.
Actions over words

She can say it as much as she wants

Watch what she does

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:11 pm 
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My mother completely denied everything, even went as far to say that I was having false memories :lol: and sent me to a shrink when I was 17.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:42 pm 
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You're completely right 'Grinus, that rule applies to everybody. The manipulation is a bitch.

Very similar here, Altair. Mine sent me to see a psychologist and always call my perceptions "delusions", telling me that reality is so much different than what I make it out to be in my head.

I am so, so glad I've got 2 steady jobs, steadily investing my money, and limiting what I need from them financially, step by step. Moving into dorms has been a blessing, can't imagine not going crazy if I lived here full time.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:53 pm 
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Altair wrote:
My mother completely denied everything, even went as far to say that I was having false memories :lol: and sent me to a shrink when I was 17.
:shock:

WE WERE SEPARATED AT BIRTH! :o

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:58 am 
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moose35 wrote:
Very similar here, Altair. Mine sent me to see a psychologist and always call my perceptions "delusions", telling me that reality is so much different than what I make it out to be in my head.

I am so, so glad I've got 2 steady jobs, steadily investing my money, and limiting what I need from them financially, step by step. Moving into dorms has been a blessing, can't imagine not going crazy if I lived here full time.
Yeah, man

I was out the door within the week I graduated high school, so freeing.
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Altair wrote:
My mother completely denied everything, even went as far to say that I was having false memories :lol: and sent me to a shrink when I was 17.
:shock:

WE WERE SEPARATED AT BIRTH! :o
Well, this is interesting. :geek:

The best part is my shrink, that she took me too told me she was bat shit crazy :lol:

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