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Sexiness has NOTHING to do with physical attractiveness...much like you can feel threatened by an animal/insect no matter what size it is. :ugeek:

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little has changed
Actually there have been some changes. :mrgreen:

They hunt in packs now. Ensuring that both left and right exits are blocked, the Queen Bee approaches from the front with her hands slightly outstretched with the group surrounding you in a semi circle.

Variations of this type of behaviour with no shame now exists (such as grabbing you by the wrists and pulling you in, particularly if you're small enough) as long as prior approval is given by esteemed member(s).

Singular forms of physical empowerment should be along any minute now, if not already present.

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Meraki wrote:
First off - great thread. I second the call for treasure chest.
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"I could never have a steady girlfriend. I cannot live at this pace - I would never get anything constructive done."
Right on - I've had this feeling multiple times as well. I once had a girl literally get to the point where her vision disappeared (like it does when you are about to pass out) while having sex with her.

But man, does it take a fucking lot of energy to make love for long enough with that kind of intensity. I can't do that kind of thing more than 3, maybe 4 times a week otherwise I'm just exhausted and can't get anything done at work or training...
Does such a dynamic sustain for a long time? I wouldn't know - for years now, and any time where i've had my shit at least a little more together, i've only done very casual relationships. I've never even literally seen the same girl 3/4 times in one week so have no frame of reference. Anyone w/ experience in that care to share it?

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Really just depends on how well the cores of both people resonate. :geek:

If your dealing with the right person for the right reasons, and the feeling is mutual, then these things happen. 8-)

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In fact, one of the many diamonds in the rough that I found during my perusal of PUA theory was that a man's sexual arousal is like an on/off switch (and we know what triggers the 'off' state), where a woman's is like a dimmer switch, and I find even this to be a gross oversimplification, based on my experiences.
I heartily disagree with this. I think there are a lot of individual differences between various men and various women, but I don't see a particular biological difference between the sexes. I've been with girls who are light switches, and there are times where I've been a dimmer myself. I think its all about who wants what the other has more. Case and point (all you need to read is the first post in this thread): viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1031&p=8901

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Does such a dynamic sustain for a long time? I wouldn't know - for years now, and any time where i've had my shit at least a little more together, i've only done very casual relationships. I've never even literally seen the same girl 3/4 times in one week so have no frame of reference. Anyone w/ experience in that care to share it?
Actually I think it goes back to the same thing that I just addressed with Roark. If she wants it more than you do and you've slept with her twice, vs. if she wants it more than you do and you've slept with her 200 times I don't think it matters. From personal experience with the 5 girls I've dated for 4 months or longer, I seem to settle into a bit of a pattern where once a week the sex is mind blowing for her, once a week its mind blowing for me, and then the other couple times its good and satisfying, but not up at that level.

This of course is assuming you're finishing how you start and you are consistent in your actions throughout the relationship. If you start cool and independent, but then 2 months in a flip switches and you go full bore symp, then I wouldn't expect to have any mind blowing sex at all.

Also from personal experience, I've taken maybe 6 or 7 girls up close to the losing vision level, and its never happened with any of them until we were on at least our fourth time sleeping together. In my experience so far there's a certain amount of trust and familiarity that need to be there for her to let go enough, and also just getting familiar and knowing how to push her buttons just right. But hey - maybe other people have had different experiences. Maybe if she wanted it from you that bad, it would happen the first time you bang her.

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The Kidd!! wrote:
Sexiness has NOTHING to do with physical attractiveness...much like you can feel threatened by an animal/insect no matter what size it is.
^^THIS^^ Also, this is a really cool way of looking at it - when I get these 'vibes', it seems like something in her being, and she doesn't even have to be conscious of this - she probably isn't - is saying "yeah nothing we're talking about has to do with attraction or sex, and I don't even need to have sex all the time or even just with you or be a nympho or anything, i'm just like anyone else - HOWEVER, if we happen to go in the direction of sex, YOU BETTER BE READY FOR WHAT'S COILED UP WITHIN ME, WAITING TO SPRING."
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Here's a personal centerpiece of the thing for me:
There's more than enough in the whole sexuality/biology thing that you can turn to as a source of POWER and confidence as a man
There are also some aspects of it that you can interpret from a place of WEAKNESS and limitation.
The x factor is you.
Very true. But also I think this may apply to all the aspects, ie each aspect can empower or demotivate you depending on where you're coming from. And in my opinion, the belief in the "fuck them all, as much and as quickly as possible simply for the sake of fucking wiring like a guy has" is an example. Yes, it has definite biological roots that CANNOT be denied, and at my advanced age (late '30's) I still meet this urge, but it doesn't even seem like a reality to me anymore - I guess i've been transmuting so long that it's not an issue. Look at it like this - you sneeze in response to external stimuli beyond your control, and you don't even try to repress it. But does it take over your life? And you can even repress the sneeze to get on with something crucial that you're doing so you don't fuck it up, and let it out once the task is done.......
Similarily, the knowledge of women's carnal appetites HAS actually been a source of weakness OR power for me at various times, and it always depends on the frame of mind i'm in at the moment. Sometimes my mood is "so then why won't they just let it go and let me fuck them? I hate them for being so deceitful and withholding.", and sometimes it's "God, they must be miserable. Poor fuckers - I pity them." Kidd!! has said something to this effect numerous times in the earlier posts, I believe....... But my favourite mood of them all is "It is what it is, fuck it. My life is great anyway. I wonder what's showing at the cinema tonight?" :lol:
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I agree that a fundamental point is being missed here
Indeed it is.

Now to decide on what that point is.
My head has gone in so many directions during this thread that this seems like a monumental task, especially since I think that even when I said the above I was referring to something else, but my gut just told me that as far as i'm concerned, the main point is that

a) women have a greater capacity for sexuality than men, and most men (and probably most women too) nowadays are not aware of this, and
b) this was known in times of antiquity: maybe the knowledge wasn't widespread becuase I suspect that women have always discouraged total understanding of their gender (probably even from themselves - and this may have to do with yin/yang again - the masculine seems to be about not just logic, but picking shit apart and understanding it and the feminine would be PRESUMABLY averse to this - although they love to be armchair psychologists and pick us and one another apart, so I could be wrong here :? ), but it surely wasn't as arcane a knowledge as it is in modern times. When I read the story of Tiresius a couple years back, this was my feeling, and I kept my mouth shut because I felt as if women would crucify me for revealing this :lol: . Actually, the real reason is that I really don't think most men are ready to hear this, and even if they can accept it, they are nowhere near comfortable enough with sexuality to be able to do anything constructive with this knowledge anyway. To my mind, if you go into a sexual situation with a woman with no ulterior motive and with present moment awareness, she'll let you in on this "secret" without having to explain anything 8-) ......

By the way, a lot of Greek stories (and I am by no means an expert) seem to point to many of the "hidden truths" that are talked about in this forum. The examples from "The Odyssey" given in Chinweizu's book are a good example, and Salmacis' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmacis) deballing of Hermaphroditus is another great tale (he wasn't born sexless - he became so after he bathed in her fountain with her and she merged with him, making him sexless). Reading between the lines, my take on it is that it simply warns of the dangers of letting a woman have her way (WANTS) with you - you will lose your own gender (and we all know what happens then :roll: ).
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They hunt in packs now. Ensuring that both left and right exits are blocked, the Queen Bee approaches from the front with her hands slightly outstretched with the group surrounding you in a semi circle.

Variations of this type of behaviour with no shame now exists (such as grabbing you by the wrists and pulling you in, particularly if you're small enough) as long as prior approval is given by esteemed member(s).
I have no experience with this, as I tend to make a sharp exit when groups of women get into a 'feeding frenzy' directed towards me (I presume it's these kinds of situations you're referring to?), but I will say that the generalisation of a woman having less upper body strength than a man goes out the fucking window when they are aroused :mrgreen: .

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Roark wrote:
In fact, one of the many diamonds in the rough that I found during my perusal of PUA theory was that a man's sexual arousal is like an on/off switch (and we know what triggers the 'off' state), where a woman's is like a dimmer switch, and I find even this to be a gross oversimplification, based on my experiences.
And also:
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(ie a graph showing a woman's sexual arousal level over time and circumstance,

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roark wrote:
My head has gone in so many directions during this thread that this seems like a monumental task, especially since I think that even when I said the above I was referring to something else, but my gut just told me that as far as i'm concerned, the main point is that
or maybe, like Kidd!! says: women have huge sexual appetites, but most men do not give them the

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roark wrote:
roark wrote:
My head has gone in so many directions during this thread that this seems like a monumental task, especially since I think that even when I said the above I was referring to something else, but my gut just told me that as far as i'm concerned, the main point is that
or maybe, like Kidd!! says: women have huge sexual appetites, but most men do not give them the

s p a c e


to let it out.
That is really the simple truth, whether everyone chooses to accept it or not. :geek:

But to be honest, the more guys that don't accept it, the more amazing I appear to be to most females. ;)

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Roark wrote:
In fact, one of the many diamonds in the rough that I found during my perusal of PUA theory was that a man's sexual arousal is like an on/off switch (and we know what triggers the 'off' state), where a woman's is like a dimmer switch, and I find even this to be a gross oversimplification, based on my experiences.

And also:
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(ie a graph showing a woman's sexual arousal level over time and circumstance,
Yeah, I saw the caveats, but my contention isn't that there aren't exceptions to the rule - its that the rule doesn't exist in the first place. I don't think there is any innate, biological wiring difference that makes women tend to be like dimmers and men tend to be like switches.

I think all women can be light switches, its just that almost all men don't give them the

SPACE

to flip themselves on.

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:lol:
By the way, 'Grinus was spot on about the projections comment. I myself have seen a) a tendency to brag, not so much about my experiences, but the knowledge gleaned from them, and have also picked up b) a fair amount of defensiveness about said knowledge. This bears looking into on my part.

I humbly suggest that the rest of you (even Flow, but excluding Kidd!! - look at how he has responded) do the same. This is very illuminating indeed.

That in itself makes this a valuable thread.......

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:lol: :lol: :lol:
..... and even my suggestion reeks of projection......

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roark wrote:
Very true. But also I think this may apply to all the aspects, ie each aspect can empower or demotivate you depending on where you're coming from.
Yeah, that's even more zen. I believe that applies, literally, to all things :) I don't think any one of them is *inherently* anything without the meaning we give it.

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And in my opinion, the belief in the "fuck them all, as much and as quickly as possible simply for the sake of fucking wiring like a guy has" is an example. Yes, it has definite biological roots that CANNOT be denied, and at my advanced age (late '30's) I still meet this urge, but it doesn't even seem like a reality to me anymore
I feel that way a lot of the time too - I don't mean to give it some sort of super power (and in fact think it's way over used as a copout), just that it is energetic thing that is part of the system. It doesn't actually have any authority unless you subjugate your authority to it. Just like there are some things programmed in the nervous system to react a certain way to things it associates with potential death-risk, your heart will beat faster etc -- it's not like that shit technically being there in the DNA forces much (though at least for me it does/did without some conscious work) , you still get to choose if you live with courage or live in constant fear, and your life (and how others react to you) certainly seems to adjust accordingly :geek:

Good reminder on the space thing, I think most of us have seen it first hand. I'm seeing some other ways I might be full of shit in some or more than some of my belief on the subject.

Here's one your insights would be interesting on -- yeah it falls more into theoretical vs making tons of difference in your life, but whatever :lol:

I know some attractive women that have / are going a really, really long time without sex, despite that it's obviously 'on the table' almost constantly, because of how the guys are being, there's no 'ideal' option there so they just don't have it.

Do you think you, or "most guys", if there was no sex even in something like a week or two, and the ease/options/near constant implied interest were on the same level, just not with any real winners, that they wouldn't go for the sex just to have it - "settle" for a few nights just to have the sex?

I just have a vague sense that there is some relevance to this even if it is only to point out a belief i'm holding, wanna work with me, folks?

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roark wrote:
st that the rest of you (even Flow, but excluding Kidd!! - look at how he has responded) do the same. This is very illuminating indeed.
Oh yeah man, and especially this area of life is where I have the most inner material that is totally useless/bullshit.

That's the beauty of being in a place where you can say how it is for you and have other guys call you on it, sometimes the most efficient thing is to just say my thing and then get bitched slapped.. better than walking around with it for another 30 years :lol:

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Do you think you, or "most guys", if there was no sex even in something like a week or two, and the ease/options/near constant implied interest were on the same level, just not with any real winners, that they wouldn't go for the sex just to have it - "settle" for a few nights just to have the sex?

I just have a vague sense that there is some relevance to this even if it is only to point out a belief i'm holding, wanna work with me, folks?
If there was no ulterior motive on their part or subsequent obligation on mine (I presume that's what you mean by no winners?) and it wouldn't compromise anything i'm currently working on, sure, why not? But to carry the analogy further, as time went on with all these offers on the table, and experiencing various different types of women, etc. I suspect that the sex would become less & less important compared to my other priorities in life as time went on, albeit veeeery gradually. Then I would probably start screening "candidates" for more connection, for a deeper experience, as this would eventually be the only thing worth diverting my attention from my other priorities for......

.......... :shock: see what an interesting question that was? Niiiiiice - gives me an insight into the mind of a woman, I think - whether or not it was your intention (you sly fucker :lol: )

Also is something I think Kidd!! can relate to and has been trying to explain for years....

What do YOU think about this?

[Edit: continuing in the same spirit in the previous post, I HAVE to admit that my imagined reaction in this scenario could obviously be corrupted by how I wish to perceive myself vs. what I would actually DO. Also wanna say it always is a pleasure doing business with you, Flow ;) .]

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Haha no it was a completely real question and I am seeing some things more clearly now, thanks.

This always seemed crystal clear in terms of getting into a relationship and why these girls would stay single for so long, but the sex thing itself. My impulse is "well yeah, of course the overwhelming majority would just take one every so many nights just for the sake of having sex, and I probably would too." -- and, typing that now, even though it seems innocuous and I feel the desire for sex is totally natural not something to get obsessed with 'transcending', I know there is something in there. Time for a moment of reflection.

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Once on a business trip, I met a woman who had a man back home and had the 'carousers', married or not, barking up her tree. She shot EVERYONE down. :lol:

I laughed inside, because I KNEW it would be me. 8-)

On the second night out, when there was a lull in advances at the bar we had gone to as a group (after I felt I had collected enough evidence), I simply leaned in her ear and said:

"Look...you have someone back home and so do I. But we aren't at home right now, and won't be again for just a couple more days. It's obvious that we are attracted to each other...and I'm willing to bet your man hasn't stretched you out properly in a while. I'd like to help you with that. Therefore, how about sharing a 'discreet indiscretion' with me while we still have the time to do so? You can already tell by the way I'm pitching this to you that you can trust me not to tell the whole world about it, unlike these other buffoons who are blatantly hitting on you in front of God and everybody. So take some time and think about it...we both have king size beds that could use some stress testing." ;)

Her reaction was sublime...I had presented her with the perfect opportunity to indulge her most primal desires. I could literally see the gears turning in her head. :geek:

Right when I ended my spiel, the busters had returned and continued to badger her to fuck. Meanwhile, I was getting molested on the dance floor by some of the other ladies, most of whom were also spoken for. About 5 minutes before we were about to leave, I leaned in her ear and said:

"So am I waiting up for you tonight or not?"...she answered..."Yes." :twisted:

The next two nights were AWESOME. :twisted:

See what I did there? While the other guys were trying to get her to fuck them, I just basically offered to give her a fucking the likes that she probably hasn't had in a long time...and I followed thru too. :twisted:

Moral of the story? Women do want it just as bad IF NOT MORE BADLY than men do...it's just that men rarely:

-Take the time to discern if she is even sexually attracted to them or not.

-give them the space to allow it to fester (amount of space depends on amount of time available)

-Present it in a way that makes it worth the woman's while...meaning that to her, the other guys wanted some pussy, so chances are her pleasure wouldn't have been a priority. Me?

I was offering an EXPERIENCE. :ugeek:

Now...reflect on THAT for a minute...perhaps whilst doing some push-ups. 8-)

EDIT: Also...just because all women want to fuck more than we do...doesn't necessarily mean that they want to fuck YOU. :ugeek:

By taking the time to do the inner and outer work (get in shape!), and being supremely confident in yourself no matter what your lot in life is, you can become a man that most women would LOVE to fuck...like me. :mrgreen:

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Thanks for taking the time and effort to post this in the middle of a mental tornado :lol: .

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Thanks for taking the time and effort to post this in the middle of a mental tornado :lol: .
Your problem not mine! :mrgreen:

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"Look...you have someone back home and so do I. But we aren't at home right now, and won't be again for just a couple more days. It's obvious that we are attracted to each other...and I'm willing to bet your man hasn't stretched you out properly in a while. I'd like to help you with that. Therefore, how about sharing a 'discreet indiscretion' with me while we still have the time to do so? You can already tell by the way I'm pitching this to you that you can trust me not to tell the whole world about it, unlike these other buffoons who are blatantly hitting on you in front of God and everybody. So take some time and think about it...we both have king size beds that could use some stress testing." ;)
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I have no experience with this, as I tend to make a sharp exit when groups of women get into a 'feeding frenzy' directed towards me (I presume it's these kinds of situations you're referring to?), but I will say that the generalisation of a woman having less upper body strength than a man goes out the fucking window when they are aroused
Assuming that the above sentence makes sense, you should ask yourself why.

Why run?

Surely, they must want something?

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