Goldenboy,
Never stated it was a personal recommendation. If you read the first sentence of my pm carefully, you will understand why your profile fitted my recommendation. Besides, the pm preceded the thread I opened, since I later decided to post my recommendation for anyone interested. The forum has a total of 262 members.
Ironically enough, you responded to a pm (personal message) publicly. No comments..
You seem to apply some connotations to my words I didn't intent to.
The 'personal recommendation' was meant to imply you chose to pm me (as in PERSONAL/private message ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_message) to provide some information (hence
personal, even if you could have sent this to other members who fit a profile).
It was in no way implying that you thought I needed it, or that you did it only for me.
Just, you did it ... and I thank you for that, much to learn on the McDougall forum
I chose to answer here, simply because I'm lazy and didn't want to make you one pm saying thanks and one message here.
I agree that it is a topic that shouldn't be overcomplicated, just like the topic of this whole forum - women
I agree, I will make a post on 'simplicities' in the next weeks or days I think.
That doesn't mean it is not an important issue, if not the most important.
This is where a part of me screams ... where the other part nods.
Much more important than "how to get chicks".
THIS.
I hope nobody on this forum denies that at least ...
The state of humanity would be so much better, if we were more interested in our health and longevity (and many other crucial issues) and less interested in manipulating or "conquering" the opposite sex.
This I don't agree.
'Everyone' only think for themselves, and manipulates and coquer EVERYONE.
The basis of relationships is: "What do I get out of the relationship?" That is the basis of all human relationships. As long as I can get what I want the relationships last.
Your response is full of quotes irrelevant to the subject
Only because the thread is a diet thread shouldn't mean we should only speak of it (just as when 'women's topics' come up, the Old Bulls see the thinking behind it and decide which answer is appropriate, whether deciphering the situation, argumenting, OR slapping the student, ignoring it, showing another way of looking at the problem, or perhaps even showing the problem was not about women in the first place, just as your relationship in regards to diet tells me something about you, that I already mentioned in the first thread related to healthy eating.
Masanobu Fukuoka was a pioneer of organic farming and a philosopher but he had nothing to do with diet and nutrition. Many philosophers tend to theorize in a grand way.
To the casual observer I may seem either humble or arrogant. I tell the young people up in my orchard again and again not to try to imitate me, and it really angers me if there is someone who does not take this advice to heart. I ask, instead, that they simply live in nature and apply themselves to their daily work. No, there is nothing special about me, but what I have glimpsed is vastly important.
the field is tainted by industry and political influence
And yet you discard two examples of people that lived up to 95 and 88 IN PERFECT HEALTH weeks or monthes before their death, simply because they are not 'EXPERT' on this field.
And these two discarded 'industry and political influence' also ...
Nutrition is a hard science and not decided by marketing and advertising, individual belief or popular opinion.
This is where I agree to disagree with you.
I might be the one on the losing end (as you claim to have the truth with you), but I don't feel like being in the wrong (and my body proves it to me).
I have this quote in mind from Hippocrates "One man's food (or meat depending on the quotes) is another man's poison."
How can science decide what is best for EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ?
Hence, for me, the quote : “A Natural Diet Lies Right At Ones Feet”. -p133
I suggest you take a look at Yoshikatsu Kawaguchi as an alternative to Fukuoka.
As in the football goalkeeper who was in Porthsmouth ?
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You may think I disagree with you on everything, whereas my actual diet is organic vegetarian if I buy / cook food for myself (I eat whatever (meat, fish, eggs, dairy products) when invited - except personal 'tastes' I don't like like oisters, seafood ...), based on whole grains when I cook, fresh vegetables, fruits (especially when they will be coming from my land).
The point I'm saying is that I've evolved to that point not by forcing myself into a 'If I eat it I'll be healthy' ... just as time passed working on farms, this is what I felt I needed to eat at this point.
Hence the quotes :
Human life is not sustained by its own power. Nature gives birth to human beings and keeps them alive. This is the relation in which people stand to nature. Food is a gift of heaven. People do not create foods from nature; heaven bestows them.
Food is food and food is not food. It is a part of man and is apart from man.
When food, the body, the heart, and the mind become perfectly united with nature, a natural diet becomes possible. The body as it is, following its own instinct, eating if something tastes good, abstaining if it does not, is free.
It is impossible to prescribe rules and proportions for a natural diet.* This diet defines itself according to the local environment, and the various needs and the bodily constitution of each person.
The prime consideration is for a person to develop the sensitivity to allow the body to choose food by itself. Thinking only about the foods themselves and leaving the spirit aside, is like making visits to the temple, reading the sutras, and leaving Buddha on the outside. Rather than studying philosophical theory to reach an understanding of food, it is better to arrive at a theory from within one’s daily diet. -p146
Focusing only on diet is not the way to go in my opinion, hence my focus on other things than diet (like philosophy, environment) in a diet thread.
That said, be sure I appreciate you input and will read the mcdougall's forum thouroughly, with my most open mind possible.
Time to eat.