Natural Freedom

The reality of your life is always now;
nothing happens next.

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It will always be a half measure.

You should instead wonder if you have questioned what you have been told. You're using tools when you don't understand their intention or origin. Of course there's some element of truth in them thats what draws people to them.

I did my research. I could leave if I wanted to, but I have the fullness of the truth so why would I?

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

Excuse me,
More accurately:

> I have the fullness of the truth > to
> I am always getting the fullness of the truth >

Can't own it, you know

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The truth is a person

I originally wanted to say I found the truth, but that wasn't accurate because the truth found me.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

Any interest in elaborating the context of this? I don't think folks in the Soto temples in Japan or QiGong practitioners have the same intention, origin etc as two of many examples. Meditation is a very, very broad word - and even the approach of it being used for something like self-improvement is more of a modern context.

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Hi, Flow

I posted a link to Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. You should have a listen if you are curious. It's an interesting book in it's own right and it will answer your questions.

Ultimately nothing is neutral it's either of Christ or satan. If it's not obviously of Christ then it's obviously of satan. It seems harsh but thats the reality of the situation. Afterall doesn't everyone here claim that they are willing to face the harsh truths?

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Hey man, thanks - the question was more about your context for the statement but you most definitely provided that.

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Also meditation is based on an openness and passivity. So the question also become what are you opening yourself up to and being passive about?

Those two qualities are also the bedrock for spiritism and seances.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

Well, except for the forms that are more focus oriented, depending on what you are referring to. But if you are saying that all forms of meditation fall into the satan category, I suppose the nuances don't matter much, if that is in fact where you place it.

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I know it seems odd to be so black and white

You'd have to really dig into the history to see it.

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Any particular things in history to look for then ? I like history

Yes, trace the lineage of the Apostles. Through the seven ecumenical councils. There were 5 main Churches in communion with each other for over a 1000 years. Rome decided they would invent a bunch of new stuff (heresies) and they were excommunicated by the other 4 Churches.

This is 1054AD. You can follow it in a stepwise fashion right to today where now people say there is no such thing as truth. They says it's all relative or what you feel is true.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

Something added

In general the hierarchy of explanation is very different in science
than in general public.

The general public puts facts on top, laws next, hypothesis and then theories;
maybe theories and hypothesis can move around a little bit.

In science on the other hand, theories are the most important thing,
laws are next most important, hypothesis are next most important
and perhaps the least most important part of a scientific explanation
is facts, because facts are a dime a dozen.

And facts don't explain anything.

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Less than 50% of studies can be replicated. You're better of flipping a coin than relying on science.

You can pay for whatever results you want.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

I have confidence in studies that can be replicated,
and no one ever replicated a biblical miracle, not once.

Bytheby, I am not anti-theist. More of a doubting Thomas.
I haven't been given any proof that a deity exists.
I know a lot of claims.

If I see a biblical miracle, first, I'd have to verify its source.
The Bible makes all kind of claims of the origin of magic.
(God-magic, witch-magic, spirit magic, etc.)

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People are chasing after signs for sure and tragically they are going to get them.

The easiest proof you are going to find is an understanding of the reality of evil. I don't understand how people can look at stuff like the Epstein case and conclude that evil isn't real. Have you ever heard of Moloch? That's a "god" from the Old Testament. They would take a bronze statue of it build a fire around it and throw their first born children into the flames (like Planned Parenthood today). The majority of the male population is too busy digging their head in the sand so they don't have to give up their pornos to look around at the state of things. It's pathetic.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

I don't need to know what evidence would prove a god exists,
but if there is a god, that god absolutely should know what
evidence should convince me.

We can use faith to reach a conclusion that could lead to both
falsehood and truth, so faith is not a reliable method for finding out
what is true in the world.

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This really stuck out to me.

There is no control.

It made me think of how much I read self-help books in the past. I've thought about this a few times...it was fear on some-level that made me seek out books, teachers, gurus. I was afraid to go inside and question my own issues and see them through. A distraction on some-level. It did help, so it wouldn't be true to say it was hooey. At some point the training wheels need to come off.

I'll end by typing that it's amazing how I can opt out of one game for another, thinking I've put games to rest for good.

Of course there is control.

Bottom line is that people assume there is no right answer because they don't want to face the reality that they are important. That their actions in this life matter.

All this new agey all truth is relative hooey is the steak that was offered to Cypher. It's not real inner work, it's a bandaid.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

I can control what I do, to a certain extent, after that I think it stops.

What kind of control are you thinking about Altair?

I read this quote from here yesterday and I think it meshes with this topic.