Natural Freedom

Hi Everyone i am a new memember recommended by Sniper...
I am from Canada, i am very glad to be in this forum. A little background about me , i used to be very addicted to pornography in the past as a lot of people are , then i found about natural grounding and was able to slowly eliminate pornography out of my life. I hope people in this forum can help me resolve some problems i am facing right now , i am hoping to have long term success with woman in general, my goal is to date 3 beautiful woman. Here are some questions , i would love to get answers from:

1) How effective is grounding to attract the opposite gender, whats your experience on this topic? Do girls approach you after you grounded ?
2)Rion talks about how you have to cry, does it take couple of days to get emotional to natural grounding and do you even have to cry?
3)Whats the recommended time for grounding? After discussing with Sniper, he told to ground 10 to 15 , any more than that is logical grounding is emotional.
4) Did grounding help you guys eliminate porn?

Thanks guy, I will appreciate if you guys answer this.

Hey, man whats up.

I'm from Canada too
1) How effective is grounding to attract the opposite gender, whats your experience on this topic? Do girls approach you after you grounded ?

I never found natural grounding to have any effect on me as far as solid results with women. I got next to no results and am doing much better without it. I'll pass on the advice I got from Rion and Etienne when I was though.

2)Rion talks about how you have to cry, does it take couple of days to get emotional to natural grounding and do you even have to cry?

No you don't have to cry it's perfectly fine if you don't

3)Whats the recommended time for grounding? After discussing with Sniper, he told to ground 10 to 15 , any more than that is logical grounding is emotional.

30minutes i thought.

4) Did grounding help you guys eliminate porn?

Yes

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1) How effective is grounding to attract the opposite gender, whats your experience on this topic? Do girls approach you after you grounded ?

Not effective whatsoever, after 100s of hours of doing it too, I didn't approach girls because I had foolishly written off Western women.

2)Rion talks about how you have to cry, does it take couple of days to get emotional to natural grounding and do you even have to cry?

Whether you cry or not, it doesn't work, if anything you'll be emotional when your frustration of it NOT working gets to you.

3)Whats the recommended time for grounding? After discussing with Sniper , he told to ground 10 to 15 , any more than that is logical grounding is emotional.

Recommended time: NONE

4) Did grounding help you guys eliminate porn?

Grounding became a substitute for porn, there was virtually no difference between the two.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

I think the problem is that natural grounding can turn into a fantasy, not as destructive as porn but still a fantasy...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Fuckit.....I also give up on this topic.

The last thing I'll say about this is natural grounding is like Redbull, which has never had the effect it was supposed to have on me, so whilst it may supposedly work for others, I can only speak for myself on the topic, my beliefs about them come from my experience of ingestion and the shit not working, in this case, the mental reception of rion's bullshit theories and wasting 100s of hours on natural grounding.

So I hereby lay this topic to rest, and lastly, I'm destroying this bullshit seduction program before heading out, and tossing it in the bin.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

Lol I like Alchemist's answer better

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

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Mr. Todo

The only thing leading to sex is when you BOTH are on your Natural Behaviour, and if you´re nervous or thrown off by women even for an atom, it´s over.

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I beg to differ, thinking like that is the shit that leads to paranoia and mental paralysis in terms of dealing with women, everyone gets at least a little bit nervous about something, especially this.

Saying a dude will never get laid if he's even a tiny bit nervous, believing that will make a guy not even want to make any form of interaction with women because it's always gonna be fucked, that's what happened to me when I got into this bullshit, I see a woman I like and my heart skips a beat or I get a little butterflies in my stomach or a feeling of attraction then I was like "oh shit it's over forever I fucked up by being nervous", then I applied that to every woman I saw and gave up on the idea of meeting them, do you have any idea how damaging that is?.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

I completely agree with Alchemist. The only important thing is how you look at yourself, if you're okey about being a little bit nervous around women, the women will be absolutely okey with it too. A man that is okey with himself and his feelings is attractive because everyone wants to be that guy, living in complete acceptance of himself.
And even if you're not okey with being nervous, it still can lead somewhere.

The only way leading to sex is when both are in natural behaviour? I more than doubt that. PUA's talk women into having sex with them, the most one night stands are because of drunkeness. When there's natural attraction everything flows, no need for excuses to get her to your house, no excuses at all for everything because it flows. Thats not so common and still people have sex.

Jari the Shaman, I like you man and I used to beleive in this shit too But now I know it is: fucking bullshit and just a limiting belief (a dangerous one too).

I'm not a robot and everyone is a little nervous when meeting new people (not just women), it's natural!!!

If I see someone who I feel his energy does not shift then there is something wrong with that dude. it's like he is closing off his natural emotions and trying not to be human.

It's not the energy shift that is the problem but the thought that it's wrong and not supposed to be this way.

I have a cousin who always used to get laid and he was always a bit nervous when meeting new people and women. He just never saw it as something wrong and thus, it didn't turn into a limiting belief for him.

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

I´m not nervous around people, and I know there´s nothing wrong with me, and there´s nothing wrong with anyone. That comes from belief that "everything in the world is perfect, though not completed".

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You can be a Solid Character, and not cling on single atoms. You can!

Just BE that

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Maybe I can but I don't have to. And my success with women has nothing to do with this.
Anyway I'm sure the way you got there is not by looking at Palmy videos

You probably got there in other ways, but anyway I don't see this as a goal or as something I have to be. When I see girls or when I'll meet you in Finland one day (hopefully): Even if my atoms move That would still be totally fine by me.

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Palmy /Natural Women were the starting CAUSE, and experience and understanding of Relational Mastery came right behind it. I wasn´t all clear what to look for in women, but that simple CAUSE has an EFFECT in the future, it´s in the small little things.

NG / CAUSE has an EFFECT in the future. I can remember when I first heard of Steve Vai playin´ the guitar, and I just had to learn to play that way. And now, 15 years later, I play the same things he plays today, plus hundreds of more Instrumentals. I never gave up on the cause, it had such an impact.

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That's another seduction community myth, that's we're completely comfortable around women from birth until puberty when the 'social matrix' screws everything up.....when I was a kid I didn't flirt with girls or tease them and play doctor or anything else the puas say we're supposed to do/be when we're kids, I didn't have that confidence, I've always had some degree of nervousness and I find it hard to believe that it's that detrimental to interpersonal relationships.

Healing the psychological wounds caused by social conditioning will take a whole lot more than jerking off to Asian girls.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

hehe,

It´s also a Character Issue. If I was dropped on this sector as Senator Palpatine and I walked out that door now, in 2 hours I´d be the Mayor of this City, no doubt. Production Capability...

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I'm not sure what the hell that means, but I love the way this guy talks.

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I totally got it...and it is the single most logical thing I have yet to see him type.

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I like what Alchemist said on nervousness too, I always used to worry and then write women off if my energy or confidence wavered even for a second (i still do too much). Sucks to think on how much both sides missed out on because of that belief . The best times and hookups I ever had were when I still wanted it to happen but was fine if it didn't and I didn't write off the situation when I got nervous. .

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."