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 Post subject: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:39 pm 
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Let's see if my thoughts still make sense after I wrote them down :)

When your perceive anything in life, your ego filters it through your sense of I and your map of the world.
perception->your beliefs->consciousness

With certain things a sense of self comes up with these filters.
But it's just something we attached to these things and beliefs and it's only in the head(s).

In it's essence, reality just is and it is changing all the time.
An ever changing flow of reality without the possibility to define cause or effect, because everything effects everything.

So now we clever humans show up on this stage called life.
First we observe. It is our natural state and everything has to be taken as it is to really deeply understand it.
We form a map of reality and call it truth. It's a very efficient way to live on this earth and brings many benefits.

But it has it's downside. We begin to cling to the map and the beliefs sorrounding it more and more.
Through clinging and calling it the truth we build a prison and at a certain age we begin to call it self.
You can live with it till you die and it's a totally acceptable decision, but there is an alternative.
This alternative is not taken by many people, because it is not easy to find.
And it means death before dying. You have to see that all these thing you called 'I' are in reality devoid of a 'self'.
So to walk the narrow path to truth you have to let these things go.
In essence reality just is and there is no place for a 'self' or an 'I'.

Let go of the filters and you get this:
perception->consciousness

i would call it just observation. The beliefs and the labels are better left out of the equation.
Just observe and let your brain process the incoming information. It can do this just fine without the ego commenting everything.

Because you don't have to filter the incoming data, you don't need to discard the things that don't fit into your map of the world and desperately cling to the things that you think are essential to your map.
Both the clinging and the aversion to certain things that do not fit your model are the source of suffering.

I don't know if some of you took some time in their life to just observe pain, but it's a worthwile endeavor. Normally i would say that pain equals suffering, but that is not the case. if you just observe pain without mentally commenting on it, you will not suffer.
There is only the perception and the pain. It can even feel good. At least you become indifferent after a while of observation.
Of course you have to take the necessary steps to ensure that you get the necessary medical treatment, but once this is achieved you can let go of the worrying about it.

So before finding this forum my life was mainly about getting a woman. My belief was to find a woman is a necessary part of existence. After finding this forum and reading the stuff written in this forum and the manipulated man I could face the possibility of never having a woman at my side without fear. I even have days where I don't want a woman at my side and am angry at everone of them.
But thats just another belief and it does not serve me to install it.

I have to let go of these beliefs and see that there is no right way to live. There is nothing you have to do while on this earth. It's all optional and most of the things we do in our western world is luxury. Just enjoy the walk and be content with what is.

So I hope somebody can get some value out of this.
My question after these thoughts is:
How to proceed?
Just observe and train yourself to bypass the filter or deliberatly seek out these beliefs and destroy them by exposing them for what they are?


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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Wanna peace?, get ready for war.

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:11 pm 
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Nice,
your signature reminded me of spiritual autolysis from Jed McKenna.
Probably that's my first battlefield.


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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:54 pm 
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In a subjective Reality, Consciousness and Awareness
are primary; nothing exist prior to them.

In subjective Reality, if you are not observing something,
it doesn´t even exist.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/0 ... eality-qa/

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Dali wrote:
Wanna peace?, get ready for war.
"Bringing peace out of war is like fucking for virginity."

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:49 pm 
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Jared wrote:
Dali wrote:
Wanna peace?, get ready for war.
"Bringing peace out of war is like fucking for virginity."
Funny.
But I don't personally know the latter one.

^_^'

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:21 pm 
Awesome post


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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:42 am 
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Good post.

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:55 pm 
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peregrinus wrote:
Good post.
What post was good are you talking about this thread or the Steve Pavlina article?

If its the article it is definitely thought provoking but that is where I will leave it. I think parts of this article should be taken so literally Kidd if you have read this article what do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: You are wrong
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:27 am 
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Resonance wrote:
peregrinus wrote:
Good post.
What post was good are you talking about this thread or the Steve Pavlina article?

If its the article it is definitely thought provoking but that is where I will leave it. I think parts of this article should be taken so literally Kidd if you have read this article what do you think?
I concur with the Pavlina article...ultimately, your life is what you make it. :ugeek:

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