Remember he wrote that he paid Paul Janka to coach him in Barcelona?
he wrote on the forum shortly afterwards something like: 'Paul is the King of social alphas and pradas and I'm the king of international dating'

I'm all about taming the shrews, brother

Sorry, I don't get it.

I'm not a native English speaker, even sometimes I have to search words on the dictionary
And I was in England just for 3 months, and that was some years ago, and..... That's all.

@ Shay
How do you Know Kindred was a top PUA? I'm not telling you're lying, just want to know.

I've read some Marcus's posts, and I've read some things from different guys teaching in the seduction community (PUA's and naturals), and I read almost the same concepts.

I have no Asians and no latinas

you guys are lucky

Kindred mentioned on one of his posts that he was already a PUA who had success with women, he just wanted to take things to the next level.

I also know that a lot of the stuff Marcus wrote on realm are things that I have already heard from other teachers and saw similar things on Zan's forum, Brent's forum or other forums.
But try telling that to the dorks on realm who whorship him and coronated him as their new Guru. Even though he left realm ages ago they just keep circling around his old posts, talking in his name But not getting any results themselves.....

Well, I must admit that the Mr.Marcus posts are STILL the most valuable topics in the Relm forum. His concept is THE one but he didn't make it applyable. I'm thankful for Marcus, he wrote so much and wanted to help the other people to get where he was aswell but he couldn't say what to do. One of the only things he had was his affirmation "I don't want anything from anybode, never" which is a bad one. I did it daily for minutes for weeks. Its a negative affirmation and there's nothing concrete in that affirmation so things won't change at all and you won't change at all when you only do that affirmation.

I don't think that we can't blame the people (include me here too back then) who really read the Marcus stuff over and over and want to not want anymore. Said in other words: Natural Grounding is, for the very most guys, not the magical key to success with women and success in life. Some didn't even get emotional or find an access. NG is cool to have a good time, to reconditione yourself to another, unmasked picture of women but it won't bring you the attention from women you're looking for.

Oh my... While writing this post I realised something: Remember guys the Natural Awakening Forum. It basically was a natural Grounding forum. almost everyone did grounding, when someone had problems, the answer was "Just do your grounding". I even attached to most of my posts a "Keep on grounding" at the end.

Now I realise how much I myself have benefited from the fall of the old forum, really. Away from that dogmativ Natural Grounding stuff (not the grounding himself but the worshipping of it as a goddess...).

@ Create: When you left the old forum I was kind of disappointed about you, I must admit. But now I understand you COMPLETELY. I mean staying in a forum where all the guys only tell you "Just keep natural grounding" and you don't get any positive aspects from it for months would be really daft.

I'm really thankful for that forum and all the guys here, we're closer, as a community, to what we aim for than ever

I'm thankful for that, Shay. I for myself thought "Screw all the ones who have doubts about the practical application of marcus's posts, I'm taking that road and I'll be where Marcus is." As months passed by, the Natural Awakening forum encouraged me again to go that path, with sentences like "Imagine where you are in five years if you keep natural grounding" And I thought "yes, thats it, I just have to stick with that".

Then the old forum fell and there was noone/nothing left that "enchanted" me with the "sweet success" ahead when I keep natural grounding and I had to find a real GROUND again Then for a while I was kinda desperate and made the topic about the "Practical side of mr.marcus" where the answer was, oh surprise, just keep grounding...

Some weeks later I started to read some podcast transcriptions from Brent and almost at the same time, Libertine mentioned Jake and stopgivingafuck.com . Everything came at the right point I guess

Lol there are no posts on Rions forum. The latest Etienne one is "Do men prefer natural or fake boobs".

It has become beyond a joke. I feel sorry for anyone who has paid $47, just for that one exciting post this month.

It's hooey.

Thats why I only have contact with teachers who really want to help me (Jake from stopgivingafuck.com for example). Or have you ever heard of one giving phone coachings who talks to you for 2,5 hours and only charges for one?

add to it the fact that Rion is mostly successful in poor third world countries- where anyone can have success if you come as a western with means and wave a few dollars (or show high social status with 500$ boots and a luxury rented apartment - in Rion's case )

Remember he wrote that he paid Paul Janka to coach him in Barcelona?
he wrote on the forum shortly afterwards something like: 'Paul is the King of social alphas and pradas and I'm the king of international dating'

It's the same as saying: I can only do well in poor countries but if you want success in the west- Paul Janka is your man.

Not sure. I was in Thailand and I can say that women are different. You can totally sense that the energy are a whole world not the same that the women energies in western places.
And I had some "success" there. I do believe in the natural women attracted to "alpha men". Look Etienne, he seems a regular man and had more success there too. I don't think it was thank to his money, or because he is white.
But it's true that Rion maybe amplify it ! The big appartments, his clothes & tatoos, i'm sure it's playing for him, which sucks...
I'm really curious to know how would he do without all this.

Vegano,
can you tell more about Jake? did you buy his ebook? is it good?
how exactly it work to "not care what other think", like a repetitive reading of his book, sort of like affirmations?

Naled, the thing is that he teaches 'seduction' to people in the west so people want to see success in their own area and with women in their own culture.

Hmm he said that every woman has a natural character.
So we use examples of thai women to BRING OUT the natural part from the women of our own culture...
Hmm hope one day we will be able to know the real Truth though.