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Author:  Star_Above [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:00 pm ]
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I still get some pua stuff in my inbox and find it funny how everyting they do is centered around "Make her like you because of your personality".

I think you guys will agree that that really has jack shit to do with it; er trying to improve your personality anyway... there's an easier way for that to happen.

I know for me, once I learned from the fine gents here that when you improve your looks, money and status (Do you think girls would go wild over Prince William if he was just plain 'ol Billy from down the street :)) you get more woman into you and because of that you get confirmation like Kidd says...if you really get your status high (Calvin Klein model looks, millionaire, etc...) and you have an absolute shit ton of attractive women all over you, you NATURALLY become indifferent and confident by default just through the sheer abundance of women after you, and because of that you NATURALLY start to portray the traits that high status guys have like making girls qualify themselves to you, etc...

You naturally create space because your phone has just rang for the 80th time that day from some hot piece of ass that wants to reverse cowgirl you; you've just started thinking like a 6' tall blonde 10 so far in the matrix that she's hang'n off of Neo's left nut...not by affirmations or "working on your personality", but by having circumstances dictate how you act through the real world improvements that you've made...

It's like if you get a great pair of jeans and know your ass is bang'n in them, you "act" different and portray more attractive personality traits even though you didn't "work on" your personality. I think it's backwards, instead of working on the inner to get the outer...work on the outer to get the inner.

Other thoughts?
Author:  Alchemist [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:05 pm ]
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I think you must work on the inner first and foremost, then work on the outer at the same time which will eventually give you confirmations which in turn supplement your inner work, it's a cycle.

That's how it is for me right now anyway, most of my confirmations though at the moment are looks when I go about my day and the occasional compliment, my circumstances as of late are the result of my inner work.
Author:  Sniper [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:08 am ]
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@ManniJa

I think you got it a little bit wrong. Sure it's importent to work on your front and clout (for you not for women), but from what you are saying it sounds like: If you are not rich or very good looking then you are fucked...

I met a few rich people and a few good looking people which suck with women- Because they don't do any inner work.

Inner work and outer work are two sides to the same coin.

But not everyone were born very good looking and not everyone can be rich - even if they work very hard on a career path. So from what you are saying these guys are doomed?

I have met guys who are not good looking or rich that get laid a lot....

think about it
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:19 am ]
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I don't think I'm wrong, but my map of the world doesn't match yours.

If you have and are nothing, but go all Stuart Smiley and tell yourself in the mirrior "I'm handsome and gosh darnet I'm a good person", well be my guest...but it's hooey :lol: But if you drive a maserati and look like Johnny Depp and fuck'n know it and people swarm to you because of it...that's CONFIRMATION baby!!

When I got in shape I knew I looked good and gained the confidence from that...if I was a fat fuck no matter what I said to myself or how much "inner work" I did, I knew I was still a fat fuck.

@ Sniper Ok, maybe they had somethign else going for them that was "real world" and knew it (Intelligence or whatever), and people flocked to them and wanted them because of it...that's still confidence through confirmation.
Author:  Sniper [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:29 am ]
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ManniJa wrote:
If you have and are nothing, but go all Stuart Smiley and tell yourself in the mirrior "I'm handsome and gosh darnet I'm a good person", well be my guest...
I never said that :roll:
I said work on your front and clout and in addition: do some inner work.

'Inner work' is not affirmations or to praise myself in front of the mirrior.
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:33 am ]
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Sniper wrote:
ManniJa wrote:
If you have and are nothing, but go all Stuart Smiley and tell yourself in the mirrior "I'm handsome and gosh darnet I'm a good person", well be my guest...
I never said that :roll:
I said work on your front and clout and in addition: do some inner work.

'Inner work' is not affirmations or to praise myself in front of the mirrior.
That actually wasn't directed at you Sniper lol You're both right that re-writing some beliefs is helpful, but nothing like external confirmation is.
Author:  scarface [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:44 am ]
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ManniJa wrote:
I still get some pua stuff in my inbox and find it funny how everyting they do is centered around "Make her like you because of your personality".

I think you guys will agree that that really has jack shit to do with it;
I agree. Also the term "personality" to me is verry vague. But I have found that different girls prefer different personalities types; some like chatty ones, some like quite ones more. Some like very active ones, some like more relaxed ones. Etc..
Author:  Azriel [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:39 am ]
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My personality is amazing, there are millions of women out there who would be honoured to let me teabag them.

I say inner work is important but not to the point of buying loads of 'inner game' products. If you can learn to accept yourself no matter what (by accept I mean be okay with) then you don't need women to be attracted to you to gain confidence. And self acceptance is cheaper than David D's Deep Inner Game and Hypnotica's Collection of Confidence.

But to work on all of them at once, it is a cycle.

Affirmation: My personality is so amazing that every woman would be honoured to suck my balls..... Do women when attracted to you feel it as an honour to suck your balls?...
Author:  Benjamin [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:03 pm ]
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Quote:
But if you drive a maserati and look like Johnny Depp and fuck'n know it and people swarm to you because of it...that's CONFIRMATION baby!!
What if you drove the maserati, look like Johnny Depp but inside you are totally insecure? Sure women will come but they will make your life a living hell...

You say that when you work out, you confidence rises, and that's great; you are just doing inner work from changing something outside (CONfirmations) instead from the inside (introspection). What matters is that the inner change is occuring, and without it even with all the front and clout in the world, women might come (like Sniper said, many rich people do not have women coming), but never on your terms.

Even to develope your front and clout you must have a certain mindset, inner change is the basis of EVERYTHING.
Author:  Sniper [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:33 pm ]
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Quote:
But if you drive a maserati and look like Johnny Depp
also most people don't look like Johnny Depp (even if they work out) and in some countries like mine (where cars are very expensive) most people can't affrod a maserati even if they earn good money.

So by saying something like that you are basically saying that most guys are fucked,
it's not a healthy mindset.

I know you used Johnny Depp & the maserati as an analogy but still....with this mindset you will attract mostly gold diggers.
Author:  Alchemist [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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Aztecsfinest wrote:

I say inner work is important but not to the point of buying loads of 'inner game' products.
Inner work has nothing to do with buying inner game products.
Aztecsfinest wrote:
Affirmation: My personality is so amazing that every woman would be honoured to suck my balls..... Do women when attracted to you feel it as an honour to suck your balls?...
Man the day you realise you don't need affirmations....there's something you need to realise about the way you're going about this attempt to instill confidence within yourself.
Author:  rant [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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Alchemist wrote:
Inner work has nothing to do with buying outer game products.
fixed
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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They're ALL gold diggers or is the manipulated man completely forgotten?

:lol: brush up on your pimposophy reading fellas...good luck!
Author:  fufe [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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I have an idea

1. Choose your own way to do this
2. Do it
3. ???
4. Profit
5. Post your results and how you did it
Author:  peregrinus [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:52 pm ]
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Benjamin wrote:
Quote:
But if you drive a maserati and look like Johnny Depp and fuck'n know it and people swarm to you because of it...that's CONFIRMATION baby!!
What if you drove the maserati, look like Johnny Depp but inside you are totally insecure? Sure women will come but they will make your life a living hell...

You say that when you work out, you confidence rises, and that's great; you are just doing inner work from changing something outside (CONfirmations) instead from the inside (introspection). What matters is that the inner change is occuring, and without it even with all the front and clout in the world, women might come (like Sniper said, many rich people do not have women coming), but never on your terms.
Even to develope your front and clout you must have a certain mindset, inner change is the basis of EVERYTHING.
Alchemist wrote:
I think you must work on the inner first and foremost, then work on the outer at the same time which will eventually give you confirmations which in turn supplement your inner work, it's a cycle.
Aztecsfinest wrote:
If you can learn to accept yourself no matter what (by accept I mean be okay with) then you don't need women to be attracted to you to gain confidence.
Author:  lightsleeper [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:18 pm ]
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The process should never end. Who you think you are is a trance! Wake up and think ...

We dream ourselves up everyday

Sleep
Author:  peregrinus [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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lightsleeper wrote:
The process should never end. Who you think you are is a trance! Wake up and think ...

We dream ourselves up everyday
BRAVO!
Author:  Star_Above [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:28 am ]
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What I'm saying is that it's like a circuit. Anyone in electrical knows it doesn't matter "where' you complete the circuit it still makes it a circuit. Improving your outer will improve the inner...and yes improving the inner can improve the inner too, but I was making a point for the 1st example.
Author:  Star_Above [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:10 pm ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dAHCZv ... re=related

8:15 8-)
Author:  Sniper [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:41 pm ]
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So (accroding to what you are saying..):
you want to be a slave in the 'rat race' just so many women jock you?
there is an easier way (if that's what you want...)

Go be a sex tourist like Rion W. - many women will jock you and you don't have to be very rich for that :D

Edit: what I'm trying to point out is that everything you do in your life should be for yourself not for the purpose of 'women jocking you'.

Front and Clout is for You- don't forget it...

When Bill Gates had an idea\vision (microsoft) his vision was not: 'I'm going to invent something so more women jock me'. That was a byproduct...

When people exercise (me included) I'm not thinking about women- I do it because I like doing it...

If you do something for the purpose of 'I want more women to jock me' then you are pulling yourself back into the matrix. The whole idea is that we want to be free and at peace- not do things to get approval from women....

after reading the manipulated man I thought you would know that wanting approval from women is not worth it.
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