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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:10 am 
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I was reading this phenomenal article from this dude, a regular guy, who is a very good writer. I have to say he gets his points across very clearly.

http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/20 ... nking.html

Anyway, he points out a lot of the BS that I have been through personally. One of the key points he makes is the whole indifference concept and how tricky it can be. I know it has been this way for me, especially since it is talked about a lot in this forum and guys like The Kidd!, Peregrinus, Jake and Brent attribute it as part of their success with women.

Basically, coming from the mindset of being indifferent or carefree with the hidden motivation of meeting a woman's needs is a classic case of "don't think of a pink elephant."

The premise being, that if you have the goal or intention of being indifferent or carefree only to get some reaction from women, then you are really just putting a mask on your attachment. You are not truly carefree or indifferent.

The writer makes a very good point in saying that being indifferent and carefree got him positive reactions from women, but that it was no magic pill or instant sure fire way to have an abundance of attraction or "success" with women as there were still problems outside of his control.

However, it didn't matter as that was not his purpose or intent.

What I found the most striking about his article was this part: (I highly suggest you read the article in it's entirety to get the full context, since it's mainly about the fallacies of positive thinking and manifestation)
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I believe that some guys who are attached to the outcome are giving off very off-putting vibes, and when they adopt a detached, carefree mindset it produces a sharp change in their behaviour, which certain receptive women pick up on. And then they automatically think of the mind as being an all-powerful thing, almost as a knee-jerk reaction.

But this reaction is the result of being too excited and over-zealous at what appears to be a breakthrough discovery. The associated passion can result in an explanation of what has happened in exaggerated terms.

But let's be clear, the detached, carefree mindset of the guy does not create the receptiveness in the women. The women are already receptive in general, and you simply gave off the vibe that attracts, or in other words "clicks" with these women.

But if there are no receptive women around (i.e. they are all prudish and uptight) then your mindset (no matter how detached, carefree, zen-like, etc.), will never get any of these women to warm up to you. There are things that are in your power to change, and there are things that are not. Only wisdom can teach you to distinguish between the two.
So, he learned that the real point is in taking care of your own shit for YOU and to make that decision consciously, because that is all it is, a decision. This is what The Kidd! and Peregrinus say as well.

The point of being indifferent or carefree is not to get more positive reactions from women. It's not about getting attraction, lays, girlfriends. It's about making a conscious choice to be happy and free for you, and not for what might result from that choice externally.

For some of you this might seem very obvious. But, I struggled with this concept a lot and it helps to put it in writing especially because most posts tend to focus on reactions from women from specific traits or behaviors.

Keep it real.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:31 am 
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The premise being, that if you have the goal or intention of being indifferent or carefree only to get some reaction from women, then you are really just putting a mask on your attachment. You are not truly carefree or indifferent.


I like the whole post Diego, but the above just remains with me.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:55 am 
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diego wrote:
Basically, coming from the mindset of being indifferent or carefree with the hidden motivation of meeting a woman's needs is a classic case of "don't think of a pink elephant."

The premise being, that if you have the goal or intention of being indifferent or carefree only to get some reaction from women, then you are really just putting a mask on your attachment. You are not truly carefree or indifferent.
Indeed

It is false and everyone will feel it.
diego wrote:
The point of being indifferent or carefree is not to get more positive reactions from women.

It's not about getting attraction, lays, girlfriends.

It's about making a conscious choice to be happy and free for you, and not for what might result from that choice externally.
Yes.

Good post Diego

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:58 am 
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Great article... If I would ever write an article, it would be 80% similar to this

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And yet, according to some (such as PUAs), the burden is still on the guy to change something about himself in order to be able to connect with these women. But instead, wouldn't it make more sense to give the same advice to the women as is given to the men, telling them to think happy thoughts and clear their mind of negativity, so that they become more approachable? This underscores the fact that it is in women's power just as much as ours to change the situation for the benefit of both.
I like this part especially. Mostly because I can think of a few girls, who were unattached, positive etcetera like we are (or are going to be) and there were the most attractive I can think of, I've ever come accross. And lot of guys shared my opinion.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:33 pm 
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You can't be indifferent just as a way to attract women. If you are then what will happen is that as soon as a woman shows interest you will have a tendency to revert back to chasing mode which can have a bad result. You have to be indifferent so that you are willing to say yes or no at those times of your choosing. Maybe you don't feel like having sex that night because maybe you're having a guys night out and don't want to be interrupted. Or it could be for any other reason. The point is that you're not hard up for women and are willing to say no without fear of loss. It's a subtle shift in your mentality when you do this. It's a whole other level where you truly become your own person and rise above the usual process where women are the choosers. You become like the women who can have sex any time they want so they only go out and get laid once in a while.

Sure, you can try acting like you're not pursuing (to help increase the odds), but in your mind you're still chasing, and the contrast will always be a struggle. You're still playing with fire and you can still be burned.

Indifference is the key. Being indifferent will allow you to easily pass by the bad women and not get attached to the women you would be compatible with. And by this I absolutely do not mean to be insensitive or without compassion. I am just emphasizing the benefit of not being outcome-oriented or clingy.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:51 am 
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Really well worded post, thanks for sharing this 8-)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:40 pm 
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I love the title of your post. It pretty much says it all.

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