Natural Freedom

Hey guys, this week I have been doing a lot of thinking, observing digging deep to see what my beliefs are and the weak points that still hold me back.

One of the things I found was that although I have been in the seduction community in the past, learned a lot of stuff and wasted money, I got no results with most of it and it just confused me. The little results I got with Rion's stuff still did more harm than good to my mindset. I almost lost touch with reality

Ever since opening the forum and applying The Kidd's & peregrinus's advise (and all the other great posters here too. I just mention The Kidd and peregrinus because they are the most advanced and they have been here since the beginning) I got awsome results, not just with women but in all other areas of life too

So I was thinking...why can't I totoaly let go of the PUA shit and put it behind me once and for all. What is stopping me?
after I thought about it really hard I came up with the answer and then asked the Kidd what he thinks...

I'll copy and paste our conversation (via pm)

Me:

'Ok. I hate the PUA shit because it did much more harm than good. Esp. I hate those fucking: Zan and Rion who I really beleived had the answer and later it turned out to be bullshit...

I'm not angry at them I'm angry at myself for the most part for falling into their bullshit...

Ok here is the problem:

although I don't want the PUA shit deep inside, there is a part of me that still has trouble letting go of it. When I thought about why I have problems letting go and putting it behind me once and for all, I came to a conclusion:

that sometimes I see pictures of PUAs with 9's and 10's. Like the ones I'm going to attach here so you will see what I'm talking about...

So if the PUA is bullshit, how come some PUAs are still getting 9's and 10's with their bullshit stuff'?

Here is an asian PUA called Johnny Wolf. Not a good looking guy and see the girls he pulled with his pick up techniques:








The Kidd:

'Because bullshit is attracted to bullshit, that's why. It might be some pretty good looking bullshit, but it's still BS. Ever wonder why PUA's can't keep a girlfriend? Because you can't do that with a bullshit foundation.

Is it all 'technique'? What is his front/clout? I guarantee it's above average. If you want to have one night stands with shallow women on their terms for the rest of your life, knock yourself out. I have better things to do than to plan my entire life around how many 9's and 10's I can bang before I die.

You can expend all that effort and planning on something fleeting like fucking bad shallow bitches...or you can expend that energy on yourself and have them putting forth all the effort to convince you that they are worth fucking. Choose wisely'.

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Ok now when I see PUAs with really hot 9's and 10's it does sting me a bit. Yea it's my ego talking but who doesn't have an ego these days?

There are guys on this forum who are more experienced than me so I would love to hear what you guys think about this and if you still feel that sting from time to time....
Note:
maybe some of you have already had sex with a lot of 9's and 10's so now you don't care anymore. If that is the case be honest and point it out

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For the record, I don't think Johnny Wolf is an unattractive man (NO HOMO).

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Just because you saw a picture of them does not mean they 'got with them' or he 'pulled them'.
Show me a photo of them naked in bed with his come all over them and him in the picture and then I may just believe it.

I could go out and collect pictures tonight, it does not mean anything.

Those girls love pictures and cameras, wave a camera in front of them and you will get all sorts of wacky poses and photos out of them. Notice how all their attention is on the camera and not him.

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I agree with Kidd, bullshit does attract bullshit.

You asked in another thread about a video of Mystery 'supposedly plowing through a shit test' (LOL!) why he wasted his time on a bitch.. The answer is there if you watch the video. Quite apart from in my view he did not plow the test, he looked like a lost little boy for most of the video.
Well said Mr

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You have a hard time with it because you are still invested in it.

I really do not want to say this, I feel I have to.

Let it go!


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Footnote: for the record I do not consider them to be 9's or 10's as you put it.

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Bigger font, brother...I don't think he can hear you.

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pah, tried font size of 800 and got this message "You may only use fonts up to size 200." phooey

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Another thing I noticed about the pictures is that he really presents himself on those pictures. He seems to make a really big deal about posing with those women "like he's the king". Thats not a sign of authenticity if you ask me.

And I agree with Peregrinus that they're not that pretty actually. But they fit the ideal of "sexy-ness" of our society.

Phooey INDEED.

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Let it go its the past nothing to do but learn from it turn it into a positive keep it moving.
Here is something good you can use its simple but it will take time its call forgiveness, forgive them but most importantly forgive yourself only then will you be able to completely move on. Okay I'm in sales so I understand these techniques quite well this is actually to do just what they are doing to you right now and that is evoking emotion in people, from my experience people don't make logical choices of a sale it comes from the emotion and from people who already want it. those factors are key they aren't selling anything per say they are just showing you the thing that can help benefit both parties.

You fell for it hook, line, and sinker these pictures could be photo shopped for all you know or any other kind of variables they are probably worst off than you as far as women are concerned.

Remember Sniper red pill see through deception.

Okay this shit here annoys me I don't see this as necessary to say if your truly confident that your are not gay like you said kidd who cares what others think right.

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Completely and utterly agree and I won't even trust that I need t see a video then it might be something worth looking into the key word here is might.

Hey the thing is just let it go I'm having trouble with this myself but I'm almost at the point where I'm at peace with because truthfully I have friends that don't ever seem satisfied they always want to go look at some ass I'm like really is there nothing else you rather do with your time, watch a porno or something because no matter what this kind of thing is fleeting.

Relieve yourself of your suffering let go of attachments none of these things will last its all impermanent you should out peace of mind and inner peace as your purpose anything outside of that tries to disrupt it say fuck it and move on.

Hope this helps

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Mr. Todo

Unfortunately, regardless of what I think, I still live in 'The Matrix'...therefore a disclaimer isn't always a bad thing.

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Imo stating it as such would had been more accurate: "The (little) results I got inspite of using Rion's stuff" Imo stating it as such would had been more accurate: "So if the PUA is bullshit, how come some PUAs are still getting 9's and 10's to agree to go take a photo with them?
A photo with a chick doesn't mean they also bang them
WHo said he "pulled" them? He got them to agree to take a picture with him, but if they agreed to sexual stuff with him is totally up for guess, imo.
mo stating it as such would had been more accurate: "Not a good looking guy and see the girls he managed to get before the camera with his pick up techniques"

Plus to add. From what II've seen, often the long(er) term girlfriends or wifes of the pua's, are not as attractive in looks as the girls shown on the photo's.
If I read it correctly, it doesn't sting when you see them with a "hb6" or "hb7" etc.?
Hb level is what counts the most?

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This is true I have some friends tell me I need to say that same shit, I have friends look at me funny because I say there are dudes that look pretty , I don't like the motherfucker he just pretty as a girl that's it , I have a home boy who I think is pretty he gets pissed everytime I say it.



THIS !!! Got to do it again.

Read, digest, marinate on it like I said too many variables to list here but as far as sales go those pictures were mean't to invoke emotion they don't have to do it it just has to look like it and key words to really push that sale and a sense of urgency.

I could go on but you I assume you get the point by now.

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Sniper, I believe very strongly, that you need to let go of the desire for "9s or 10s".
That will set you free, surprisingly, to actually find a girl you like, which will become your personal 10..
The irony I've come to find out is, that you have to find it in a girl, you won't see it often on first sight
And girls you find attractive, may not be found attractive by other guys - That's why I quoted scarface. That particular PUA may find the gf hot (or not) but others don't... They only use those photos of 9s and 10s to market their shit for guys, who are programmed by the matrix to believe they should want these ultimately.

thanks guys, you are right. All those pictures don't mean that he was really 'with them'.
now that I think about it as an example:
I noticed the same thing with Rion- where he took many pictures with women in third world countries. When I saw his pictures it looked like he was just posing to the camera with those women- but it didn't look like he was really 'with them'. It looked like he just lean for the quick photo or that those girls just liked posing to the camera but they were not really interested in him.

regarding what fufe said, I remember the example of Adam Lyons's (PUA) wife. Adam said she is a 10 with a great personality- and if you watch her videos she seems like a very nice person.

However reality is different as one of the guys who did a boot camp with Adam met her and said this:
I gave this story because I remember that in the photos and videos she looks like a really nice person and Adam said she was the perfect woman (nice, beautiful and etc....)

So pictures or even videos don't mean shit now that I think about it...

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I've NEVER taken a picture with a chick just because she was hot...I've been ASKED by women to BE in photos with them, but never have I actively initiated such...and the above reasons are why. It ultimately proves NOTHING. Not saying that Johnny doesn't do what he says he does...just saying that pictures in a club with women on you are not as hard to come by as you might think.

...and I don't find it surprising that Mr. Lyons wife would be like that...like I say...you reap what you sow...and if your cash crop is bullshit, well...

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THIS . Man that never gets old

I actually mean't to point this out to you but as you could probably tell with my posts from before I was actually in a rush so I wasn't able to get point across as clear as I would liked have, ( for some reason it won't let me edit my posts) but I had definitely wanted to bring this up you said it yourself so that's why I was confused about your situation.

You exposed Rion so naturally there are others who are definitely doing the same thing.

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yea I guess I was caught up in the matrix and forgot that others are doing it too.
If you can't edit your posts let me know and I'll see what the problem is (because you should be able to....)

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Women only seem to be nice if they can get something out of you, once they have it they disappear as I've experienced with that woman I believed to have had natural character. She was really nice to me until she got a boyfrirend, now its like I don't even exist. Adam Lyons' wife is a nice person 'to him'.
Thats my experience anyway.

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Don't be sexist, bitches hate that.

how do you know if she is nice to him?
maybe she is just 'playing' nice....
many gold diggers play nice

of course I'm not saying that is the case with her because I never talked to him or her. I'm just saying that you don't really know what's going on between a couple until you meet them and your observation skills are good enough

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

I guarantee she's wearing the pants in that relationship...and I'm sure he considers himself lucky to have such a beautiful wife.

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I meant that Adam Lyons perceives her as a nice person but that doesn't mean that she actually is one. She could be an arsehole but Adam Lyons perceives her as nice so he will tell others that she is nice.

And I agree with THe Kidd I bet she wares that pants in that relationship.

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