Natural Freedom

This week I have been digging deep into my subconscious mind like 'The Kidd' does. I have found a lot of things over there that I was not aware of before (maybe I was aware at some level but not enough..).

So I want to ask you guys something:

I found that in general: women are ungrateful and appreciate much less when you do something for them than guys (guys are less ungrateful and appreciate much more when you do something for them).

Now I'm not talking here just about a girl which is your girlfriend, I'm talking even when it comes to female friends vs. buddies.

do you guys feel the same way from your life experience (or is it just my own experience)?

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Generally speaking they are ungrateful. Why? Because they are ENTITLED to such treatment, and if you're lucky, they *might* let you fuck them.

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you mean that because they get good treatment most of the time (from Amorati type guys) their egos are so big that they don't appreciate things that much and become ungrateful?

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Women are grateful, but also if you were a woman and
you smell a guy´s hidden agenda, what would you do if
he did stuff for you?

I dunno if we are more grateful, so I can´t answer that.
But I do appreciate and I´ve seen women appreciate.

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well from my experience I had no agenda to get my female friends into bed and still a lot of them turned out to be ungrateful many times. I already cut connection with most of them because now I only accept win win relationships...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Yes, you are making a fast/solid progress, and I would
say, for everyone, to have it win-win right from the start.

Independence is an achievement and interdependence
is a choice of 2 independent people.

You will see if she is independent because she can´t live
from a principle she can´t understand. The same for us men.
This will come out in thinking/action.

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very nice Jari, do you have any shaman magic to make women independent

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

No I don´t, no magic that change people, relationships change
people.

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Fucking GOLD.

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EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING.

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!

one can't expect for a woman to be gratefull and at the same time be independent from her

Ok but we are not robots...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Speak for yourself.

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EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING.

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!

WRONG!

Yes one can

It depends on how you define 'expect' and how she behaves.

It has nothing to do with independence.

I can 'expect' her to be grateful when I do something nice, as long as I am not attached to that expectation.

I can 'expect' people to treat me right, without being attached to it. If they do not - fine, all well and good, they have shown you what they are like underneath. Life goes on.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

very nice I like that...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

of course,i thought it was clear