Natural Freedom

Hey guys, these days I'm doing a lot of thinking and among other things this subject came out.

It started out with the threads we had here:
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=857

and then I exchanged my thoughts with The Kidd and he helped me understand a couple of things better...

So here is what I came up with in a nutshell some will agree and some will disagree but it's food for the thought...

When I say don't feel sympathy for women I'm talking in general of course and why?
because women like to rant about the social matrix and how hard it is for them to live according to society's expectations, Yet it is hard for men as well. Most women don't feel sympathy for men or what men have to go through and they have no problem to use their 'pussy power' when they need to...

By feeling sympathy for women (in general) you might go back to the matrix again (Unintentionally) because you will focus on women's Wants and not Needs.

They have the feminist movement to fight for them, they have equal rights and pussy power- they don't need our sympathy. Actually some would say that: the sympathy men had for women and giving Women What they said they Wanted is what created this whole mess to begin with...

So when do I think it's Ok to feel sympathy for women?

- in countries where women still don't have rights (usually poor third world countries)

- as far as western women, instead of 'sympathy' I treat women accordingly (some could say that among other things: feel sympathy if needed only to those who desrve it).

Instead of feeling sympathy for women I focus on myself and try to help other men as much as I can.

So these are the thoughts regarding this issue that are running in my head. Thanks Kidd and if you have anything to add or clarify, double cool

And peregrinus, we have talked about this before but in a less direct & sharp way. If you have anything to add, also great

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

That's true, I came to that harsh realization not too long ago, they really don't care but it doesn't matter if they don't, the actions we take to aid our personal evolution are not for them.

Anyone who I have talked to in the past about this always brings up third world countries as an example of women's rights not having come into full effect, even though this is the best time in history for women, they have so much leverage and opportunity, they only appear to see otherwise because that's how they're supposed to act, the irony in the Middle East is they use religion to keep women in check (veils etc.) and anyone defying those rules in relation to women can drive some men to kill, that could only mean women have a strong influence on men in those areas, so who's in power really?.

I'm beginning to see more and more behaviors that contradict how they really feel.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

I don't justify all the rules they have in the middle east about women, some of them are really oppressing...
but they might feel that if they give women too much freedom- then the dynamics in their countries between men and women will be like in the west and will bring to the emasculation of men...
(just a thought)

from my own personal experience with muslim women I met, they have much more respect for men.

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Yeah they've definitely taken it to an unhealthy extreme, it's just another example of how trying to control sex/nature in a society fucks with people's minds.

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"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."

Our Social culture guarantees teasing and stimulating our senses,
but it doesn´t guarantee satisfaction.

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I'm not saying what you r saying is not true, but

I see like "It's all their fault" in it, am I wrong ?

I mean... I feel sympathy for people, I see often through their social bullshit mask.. But it's not that I'm emasculated or used...

so who's fault is it, mine?

I think you missed this part:

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Sympathy isn´t the same as compassion.

Compassion is, according to the Essenes;

Thought without attachment to the outcome
E-motion without charge
Feeling without the distortion of the feeling

They were describing >indifference>

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even with Compassion you have to be carefull- not all people desrve it...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

All people deserve, but not all behavior deserve.
There are consequences to certain kind of behavior.

Person and behavior are separate, although many never change
their habits and a person and his/her behavior sometimes seem
to be the 1 and the same.

(Remember that a person is not his/her thoughts, behavior, beliefs
attitudes, all these things are changeable.)

Behavior=action. Certain thoughts lead to certain actions.

If a person behaves in a certain way, you can tell if he/she is
going to shit in your heart later, and you can point it out to
him/her that it´s not that easy with you.

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in this moment

to me, i don't have to be symp neither compasive, there are other men doing that, all the things that a women want are being covered by other men, then i can relax and be lazy and focus in myself

You know I feel the same way
there is only one woman I feel compassion for at the moment because:

a. she has a beautiful heart and was always respectful towards me.
b. she had a hard life
c. she lives in a country where women don't have rights (she is not from here...)

the rest of the women want you to feel compassion for them but then they use it against you
or they just want an ego boost. By that I mean that they don't act in a way that deserve compassion (their actions don't deserve compassion, Jari )

and as you say rant: there are plenty of symps who give them compassion even though they don't deserve it so why should we care?

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

I´m well aware that

compassion is a creative force in the Universe.
It´s been mispresented in the west.

I read extensively, there is a reference in the Lost Gospel
of Thomas, a story of a sick woman who talks to Jesus,
and she asks him to heal her. Jesus didn´t heal her because
she hadn´t learn anything from her sickness. That act of
walking away from her was an act of compassion.

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When you are in the position of knowing that you are not
your thoughts, you automatically know that it applies to
other people as well. The only difference is that you are
the one with the awareness, and the other just got lost
in it. However, no condition is permanent.

I read this stuff because it´s fascinating and somehow also
IndianaJones-y.

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good, i understand, i supose that i'm becoming a very compasive guy

I always thought compassion means knowing the true resons why a person behaves as they behave and providing them what they NEED, not what they want or think they want or what is nice..

All I heard was "Why feeling sympathy for women will hold back your blowjob quota"
I used to try to feel sympathy for women back in my NG days but I just didn't like how they were treating me or other men, I hated them and I still do, they're not deserving of my sympathy. I don't hate all women, just bitches.

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Don't be sexist, bitches hate that.

yea that's another bullshit program from Mr. Rion - feel sympathy for women they are poor victims, they are all good in nature, bla bla bla....

they are not such poor victims ATZ: they know how to use the matrix for their benefits But they also know how to act like victims when they don't want to take responsibility for anything. That's why:

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

It´s still always our own thoughts that we
listen to... our own responsibility is the key.

I don´t "mind".

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