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 Post subject: After The Red Pill
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:22 pm 
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Musings While Wiping My Lunch From The Deck Of The Nebuchadnezzar:

In Moose's thread (http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 066#p26066), Meraki made a post that stirred up some more thoughts for me, and I was going to reply with them. However, THAT THREAD IS ABOUT MOOSE, NOT ME. I was going to delete my observations below, but was concerned that it may perhaps be of value to someone, so I decided to start a new thread. I also promised myself that I would write about my post-red pill experiences, and never did. So while the post below is not a detailed blow-by-blow account of my experiences, it'll do.
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Enough times around the spiral in the last month have made me not only not excited when I notice a girl jocking me, but I think that is what has made me lose any sexual desire or motivation to meet/interact with new girls...
Same here. I was worried about it, but then I saw many others on this forum had gone through it. Sniper in particular was really diligent about posting his experiences, and the more experienced guys kept reassuring him that this would pass: he was only recalibrating. As time went on, he got back into the saddle, and had some good experiences, and other times when he saw the manipulative behaviour in action (still good experiences, since now he was able to deal with it). Of course, he seems to be on hiatus now, dealing with his inner self (light at the end of the tunnel - another tunnel - light - tunnel, etc. ;) )

Just letting you know - NOT FOR INSTRUCTIVE PURPOSES (we all have our own unique path to tread - don't follow mine), but I think it's interesting: the last couple of months saw me with varying, cycling levels of intense anger and resentment (the usual when being shown the Matrix for the first time), and sometime in the second month total sexual apathy set in. The last week of this period (maybe 5/6 days, not 7) I was in a severe depression (as an aside: this made me start to formulate a theory that depression can be triggered from emotional exhaustion).

However, the last couple of days have seen a slight return to, yes, the old me. Honestly, many times I have thought about leaving this forum, and I am sure I will feel that way again. Part of my spiritual path for YEARS has included a generosity of spirit (not being "nice", but being KIND - there's a difference ;) ), and to this day I still cannot accept a life of cold logic. I know this is a strange thing to say for someone who loves this forum so much, but the following may clarify things: this site has taught me that a life of blind response to emotions (especially when those emotions are to feed a false sense of self - the ego) IS EVEN LESS ACCEPTABLE. Everytime this forum seems too dark for me, I remember that part of the spritual path (actually, at the centre of it) is the search for TRUTH. Hard as it is to accept what is on this forum, it is out there in the world, and must be factored into my acts of kindness. See my pupil dilation question (http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 063#p26063) - had I not realised that she was stroking her ego, I would have continued flirting, blissfully unaware that I was feeding the monster (her conduct in life may be her responsibility, but my encouragement of her behaviour is mine)........But at least I am now flirting again, you see.....

Long story (as usual) short, it looks like the apathy may go away, leaving only (hopefully!) me. I have begun to feel attraction again (albeit only slightly), even being ever so lightly smitten again. But while this is similar to the old me, it looks like a new version of the old me. Now when I am smitten, my mind is automatically sorting through the situation to find out: is it me? is it her? is it my ego? is it her ego? And other questions of this nature. And (sometimes) in less time than it took to actually write out the questions.

In other words, I am still looking for the beauty of life, but IT HAS TO BE REAL, NOT MANUFACTURED.

Not to say I am out of the woods. I will probably fuck up again and again, but at least I now have tools to help me find out why. Thank you everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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Excellent :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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The Kidd!! wrote:
Excellent :twisted:
That means a lot. Thank you.

One last thing, since I think it would be useful to have it clearly defined (apologies if it has already been elsewhere on this forum):

NICE = manipulative and practically predatory. You are stroking someone's ego to get what you want. We observe how "nice guys" get screwed over by these manipulative bitches. Guess what? THEY DESERVE IT. I once symped out with a chick who I idolised (a subtler form of objectification), and when she started flaking out on me, rather than chase, I reflected on what I DID WRONG (even though she was a "pimp supreme", personal responsibility is the ticket), and came to this realisation about "nice".

KIND = genuine. So much so, that you may even have to get rough with someone to accomplish this (but pick your battles and trust your gut - thanks, Kidd!!). I once walked past a woman who was having trouble moving a small but heavy piece of furniture. I offered to help, and grumbled & bitched (in a playful way - kindness never needs to be BORING) while helping her carry it all the way to her car. Upon completion, she gave me one of the most smouldering yet submissive looks I have ever seen, and my body screamed to take her there & then in the parking lot. I realised I was at a crossroads between true kindness & ulterior motive, and chose to cement the lesson by walking away without a word. Not to say I will always decline the "reward", but sometimes you have to reinforce your values.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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Bravo :D

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peregrinus wrote:
Bravo :D
:D :D :D 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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roark wrote:
We observe how "nice guys" get screwed over by these manipulative bitches. Guess what? THEY DESERVE IT.
GODDAMN IT!!!!!

I just realised: rorriM...... :!: :!: :!:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Love this forum.....

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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This is great roark, and makes me a bit nostalgic. Morpheus had a great post recently describing how you come to a point where you kind of "figure it all out" and you just know how interactions are going to play out. To the point it's almost boring because it's so predictable so you have to make it interesting for yourself.

Cool to watch others going through this very difficult, yet very rewarding process.

And yes, periods of feeling almost asexual. Don't stress and make use of them by working on YOU!


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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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StephenP wrote:
To the point it's almost boring because it's so predictable so you have to make it interesting for yourself.
Thanks. I have always enjoyed your posts. I haven't yet reached the point where it's boring, so I plan to simply enjoy the learning process, as I will never get to be this naive again.
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make use of them by working on YOU!
It's to the point where, the next couple months (but not too much longer than that), I think i'm even going to cool down a little bit on my passions and on my "clout", and work on me (the inner work like befriending demons, getting to truly know myself, etc.) The way I see it, this is even more important than my "life", for the time being (temporarily) - I will return to my ambitions soon enough, but I am already seeing how more effective in life my already improved observation skills and self-observation are making me (not just with women, but with EVERYTHING).

Usual applies - I am not recommending the particulars of my path to anyone else. We all do this work in our own way.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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Great posts.
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In other words, I am still looking for the beauty of life, but IT HAS TO BE REAL, NOT MANUFACTURED.
The beauty of life will reveals itself when you stop looking for it.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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GoldenBoy wrote:
Great posts.
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In other words, I am still looking for the beauty of life, but IT HAS TO BE REAL, NOT MANUFACTURED.
The beauty of life will reveals itself when you stop looking for it.
And a great reminder from you. Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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WARNING: combined, this post and the next one are fairly long and drawn out. Possibly not as coherent as I could make them, either. I only did this to get my thoughts down on paper, so to speak – so that I could look at them objectively. No one is under any obligation to read these posts, but of course any input, especially from the more experienced people on this forum, would be most welcome. And if what I write turns out to be of value to someone, well then why the fuck not?

CONTINUED MUSINGS:
roark wrote:
Honestly, many times I have thought about leaving this forum, and I am sure I will feel that way again. Part of my spiritual path for YEARS has included a generosity of spirit (not being "nice", but being KIND - there's a difference ;) ), and to this day I still cannot accept a life of cold logic.
Basically, since I had noticed CERTAIN aspects of the social matrix long before I ever heard of the red pill (since I was a child, really), I have always had a lot of disdain and dislike for people. However, my spiritual path in recent years culminated in my recognizing that, while humanity’s collective behaviours were reprehensibly septic, my interactions with them one-on-one, when I maintained an open mind and generous spirit, revealed if not their decency, then at least their potential for it. I then went through a period of being unconditionally warm and generous (with heart, not wallet) with people, and it was extremely successful. I would end up having beautiful interactions with total strangers. It goes without saying that a) I would do this in a calibrated fashion (testing the waters first rather than jumping right in), b) I didn’t overdo it a la Ned Flanders (my personality just would not allow an overly ebullient disposition), and c) anyone that threw my ‘good vibes’ back in my face would be instantly written off. Being kind IS NOT the same as being a fucking sucker……

Not only were my interactions with people soaring, but I was experiencing some financially & personally beneficial synchronicities as well.

Then I met this site, and as said in my earlier post, it scared the shit out of me; I didn’t realize this consciously – I just exited stage left after browsing the site for a few days. Y’see, it’s not that I couldn’t accept the matrix you guys were describing - since I had already seen through many aspects of it myself, this site was simply filling in the blanks. No, what scared me shitless was the detrimental effect that acknowledging it would have on my newly-found kindness-inspired spiritual path. I knew that exploring these truths would reduce the recently experienced positive effects of my path, by not just putting me back to my initial place of contempt for humankind, but actually intensifying this state of mind considerably. Wouldn’t this be a regression?

The answer I eventually came up with: NO IT WOULDN’T. The desire for truth drew me back.
roark wrote:
this site has taught me that a life of blind response to emotions (especially when those emotions are to feed a false sense of self - the ego) IS EVEN LESS ACCEPTABLE. Everytime this forum seems too dark for me, I remember that part of the spritual path (actually, at the centre of it) is the search for TRUTH. Hard as it is to accept what is on this forum, it is out there in the world, and must be factored into my acts of kindness.
(Note – every once in a while these doubts still creep up, but I always come back to the fact that my foundation needs to have the TRUTH mixed in……) Coincidentally, (or synchronistically? ;) ), embarking on this journey rekindled and deepened my love for Carl Jung’s works, and I purchased some more of his writings, where I came across his firm conviction that the process of individuation, and resolving & transcending the conflict between one’s primitive urges and civilized behaviours, required a process that could be compared to diving into a deep, dark, dangerous, murky and mysterious body of water (water sometimes being a symbol of the subconscious mind in some cultures & mythologies) to eventually cross over to the other side. ONLY THEN can one begin to scale the mountain that lies on the other side, in order to begin one’s ascension towards the castle at the top. See? Even Jung agrees with you guys….. 8-)

So I dived in………

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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FRONTING, EGO, AND KARMA
The original post in this thread is pretty much an abbreviated and simplified version of what happened next.

As I have alluded to in some of my other posts, although the intense anger after seeing the matrix for what it is has subsided somewhat, I still feel a certain amount of disdain, not for women specifically, BUT FOR THEIR MANIPULATIONS. (I also feel disdain for the men that allow it; I have actually been in situations where, even though I am successfully resisting a woman’s manipulations, she manages to manipulate the manpussies around her into 'valiantly' coming to her aid…. Not that i’m Iceberg or anything, but “a pimp is the loneliest bastard in the world”)

Evidence that my subconscious was always kinda on my side when it came to seeing thru the matrix lies in the fact that, all my life, and even more so in the last 10 or so years, I would quite often feel a flash of anger or at the very least, resistance, whenever, for example, an aunt or sister or my mother would ask me to do something that they could easily do themselves, and honey-coat their voice while asking. Same goes for other women, to the point where other pussy-obsessed men, no sorry – manginas – including some “playas”, used to tell me that I was a little too rough (verbally) sometimes with women. I’m not entirely sure that I knew the reason consciously, but for sure my subconscious (My Beloved Gut) has been trying to warn me all along.

Anyway, I think I am slowly coming to terms with this. I definitely view it with a bit more humour now than I did when I first swallowed the red pill. That in itself is an improvement.

But one thing that, till now, hasn’t mellowed is my disdain for fronting. I don’t think it’s only red pill anger – my improving observation has opened up a whole new world of subtle jocking to me (and bear in mind that I always used to notice occasional jocking, even from really good looking women). But once I catch them and actually SEE them in the act of putting back on their Masks Of Indifference (TM), although I now more often than not maintain an attitude of “Your loss much more so than mine, bitch. You have no idea how liberating it feels to just BE, rather than to FRONT" (thanks, Dali ;) ) – without even needing to think about trying to have this attitude, mind you (see the note at the bottom of this post) - every now and again I still feel a little contempt or disappointment that they are so fake (and in very rare cases a little envy of whoever their man/men/symps may be, coupled with a longing for them and loneliness that lasts for approx. 3.47 milliseconds….. this feeling used to last much longer in the past). Clearly this is a case for some “lettin’ go pushups”, except…..

Today when I observed the fronting – and these days I see this in abundance just about every time I leave my house – I had a kind of epiphany. It was inevitable, I guess; karma and its relationship to ego has been on my mind a lot lately, and I realized: these morons are shooting themselves in the foot. Why worry about ‘em? Let them flitter back and forth (in many cases concurrently rather than consecutively) between symps – upon whom they gorge their egos in addition to their voracious material appetites, and alpha jerks and players – who painfully knock their egos back down to earth and yet who ALWAYS end up disappointing them when it’s revealed that they are not really the “men” that they appeared to be. To be reaaaaally honest about it, every once in a while I still get EXTREMELY sore due to my knowledge that many of them put on innocent, virtuous fronts so that they can fleece the symps in their lives, bloat the fuck out of their egos by stringing along their “just friend” lifestyle ornaments, while secretly engaging in the most depraved sexual acts that would make even Nancy Friday blush, with their alpha and player losers. (I know this from personal experience, since a couple times in my life I have been that OTHER guy, minus the really depraved parts.) It sometimes burns me up to think that they will then turn around and get some symp to marry ‘em under the pretense of virtue. And they do all this while tryin’ to fool me into thinking that they are uninterested in me – even though I have just seen incontrovertible evidence to the contrary – so that I will chase them. Idiots. They will ALL end up unattractive (it is inevitable) and, AT BEST, will wind up with one of the three aforementioned losers – all of whom will be disappointments. Fuck ‘em. (Like ‘Grinus pointed out to me to already: My Life Is Better Than Hers). The only (rare!) women who I have ever met who remain attractive in some shape or form after their mid-30’s are the ones who don’t play games to a hurtful extent (ie they still play, even with me sometimes, but it’s more fun & playful and less about trying to wound a guy or wrap him around their finger in some way). My only responsibility is to get my head around this so that I don’t put up a wall between myself & the ones who come right (ie don’t front) – and I confess, this has been happening a fair bit lately, but i’ve been aware of it all along. Which is, to me, the most important thing.

And then it hit me. You know, love him or hate him or dontgiveafuckaboutim, I recently read where Deepak Chopra was tweeted by a young woman asking him how to find “Mr. Right” in such a depraved world, and he tweeted back “Stop looking for the right person. BE the right person.” I’ve been saying this for years, but for a different reason. I think he said it because everyone will be so much more fulfilled when they are their own best friend (sound familiar?). But I used to say it because I realized that you can rarely attract – and NEVER KEEP THE INTEREST OF - someone who has advanced more spiritually than you have. THAT is the mistake that these frontin' bitches have made with ME. Hahahahahahahaha…. Incidentally, remember this the next time you hear a woman brag that she can ‘get any man in here just by beckoning to him’……

I realise (I always have done) that the above applies equally me to me. No prob – that’s what push-ups are for………

All of the above cast of characters – the fronting bitch, the symp, the alpha gorilla, and the playa – they all live to feed their ego, and they will all fall. But not me – even though I still trip up, I am at least aware of the effect that my ego has on the quality of my life. Therefore, I’m gonna try a little experiment – rather than letting this go using the introspective and meditative techniques I normally use [Edit: ie acceptance], I’m just going to continue thinking along these lines and see if that dissolves the remaining bitter taste currently in my mouth. Like Kidd!! says – let logic override emotion. I’m partial to meditation and inner exploration these days, but lemme try something new & see how that fits. If after a while I don’t see any improvement, I know what to do……………..

Aside from that, i’ll continue with my push-ups – try to make that ego more & more visible (rather than fighting it)………..



Note: not only am I clearly attractive to many women, even what those PUA assclowns refer to as “hot babes” (I live in Jockin' City these days :lol: ), but I have soooo much more to offer them than they do to me. Seriously, whenever I have looked at my life, I have always found that it’s a damn good one – very emotionally and spiritually fulfilling compared to the way I see everyone else live, which is why the rare girlfriends I’ve had in the past have never lasted that long with me, and marriage has never been seriously considered by me. My life is too valuable to me to allow them to fuck it up. However, this has always caused everyone else to look at me sideways, and it wasn’t till I came across you guys that anyone confirmed to me that this is the correct way to live ……

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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The struggle and suffering are all rooted in wanting life to be something other than it is.

It is not cruel - it is not kind, it has always been right in front of you.

The hero journey of the struggle and breaking the matrix is also something that has to be let go of - and it too is a mind construct. The beauty is there always, but it doesn't look the way you think it's going to.

When you get over wanting revenge and wanting to "let go in order to win" most annoying, cruel, bitchy etc behavior will be seen for what it is and there's a compassion in it-- you get less fixated on the fact that this caged and frustrated animal isn't behaving the way that makes you happy but the fact that its caged and frustrated.

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That distinction is also unnecessary. Full acceptance, allowing and meditation means that if the mind is your best tool for the moment then you use it full on with no reservation, no labeling as an exception. The point is always total integration, not further fragmentation (now I am destroying mind, destroying ego etc).

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Flow83 wrote:
The struggle and suffering are all rooted in wanting life to be something other than it is.

It is not cruel - it is not kind, it has always been right in front of you.
This is called "The Pain Gap."

When we stop to prophesy what SHOULD happen to us,
we stop creating pain. It is useless to try to handle all
the negativity, just stop creating it in the first place.
Your intentions manifest only in the present, never in the
past. If we created a painful life, we did it in the now.

It is also how the mind operates; it is always comparing things.
The process of the mind is to be understood, not so far the content.

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Jared wrote:
Flow83 wrote:
The struggle and suffering are all rooted in wanting life to be something other than it is.

It is not cruel - it is not kind, it has always been right in front of you.
This is called "The Pain Gap."

When we stop to prophesy what SHOULD happen to us,
we stop creating pain. It is useless to try to handle all
the negativity, just stop creating it in the first place.
Your intentions manifest only in the present, never in the
past. If we created a painful life, we did it in the now.

It is also how the mind operates; it is always comparing things.
The process of the mind is to be understood, not so far the content.
Yes, beautiful - and it does it with everything, it is always the same process but as a brilliant chameleon.

Now I am "red pill" and life works like this and it's me against the world, I know better- it's the same process, a new identity, new mental model for the world, new suffering.

The description is only there when you are *comparing* it to your past or "everyone else". Otherwise you are just living it.

Life doesn't need beliefs or interpretations or a dramatic story line- it is right here right now.

These things are all valuable to teach or communicate how someone is living their life in a better way - analogies used to help out. Don't get attached to them or what you THINK they mean.

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Life doesn't need beliefs or interpretations or a dramatic story line- it is right here right now.
Nor does anyone care about YOUR dramatic story line. All they really care about is how you are affecting them in the right here, right now.

This was one of the tougher points for me to deal with post-red pill, that no one really cares about your pain or tough times or whatever. It's all value exchange to them.

But, like many other things on this forum, there are always exceptions to the rules. Though it is very hard and not worth your time to determine if someone is an exception or if they are just like everybody else.

I like to accept the rule as the truth and then let people surprise me ;)


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JDogg wrote:
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Life doesn't need beliefs or interpretations or a dramatic story line- it is right here right now.
Nor does anyone care about YOUR dramatic story line. All they really care about is how you are affecting them in the right here, right now.

This was one of the tougher points for me to deal with post-red pill, that no one really cares about your pain or tough times or whatever. It's all value exchange to them.

But, like many other things on this forum, there are always exceptions to the rules. Though it is very hard and not worth your time to determine if someone is an exception or if they are just like everybody else.

I like to accept the rule as the truth and then let people surprise me ;)
I know this was discussed a lot on another thread, but the fact that relationships are exchanges of value is one of those "is what it is" things for me that is not cruel or rough *inherently* - only the thought that it should be different makes it seem harsh. One good teacher said even the idea "my mother should love me"- unconditional love etc are thoughts- animals don't grow up bitter that mom disowned them at the age nature says, or that she ate two of the young, hah.

Wanting others to care is part of that same thing - wanting life to be different than it is. YOU don't care about theirs either, for the most part. This only shifts when you see the suffering of others as a reflection of your own but that is a whole other discussion.

Red pill is analogy for the integration of this but it's important to distinguish that when you fully see and accept things, it is not a problem and there is deep peace. It is not like you learn to tolerate a shitty unfair world - shitty, unfair etc are only judgements when compared to an ideal that is mental and not really there. You lose the illusion of a story book / super hero life but what you gain is so much more valuable.

You can finally accept and enjoy people , women, the world for what it really is and not what you thought it should be.

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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Thanks for the posts, everyone. Much appreciated. I am particularily grateful for this one:
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That distinction is also unnecessary. Full acceptance, allowing and meditation means that if the mind is your best tool for the moment then you use it full on with no reservation, no labeling as an exception. The point is always total integration, not further fragmentation (now I am destroying mind, destroying ego etc).
Are you referring to:
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Therefore, I’m gonna try a little experiment – rather than letting this go using the introspective and meditative techniques I normally use [Edit: ie acceptance], I’m just going to continue thinking along these lines and see if that dissolves the remaining bitter taste currently in my mouth.
I interpret your post above as encouraging me not to see the "thinking along these lines" as any better or inferior to "using the introspective and meditative techniques I normally use", or even to see them as separate techniques, but to see the whole as one entire integrated process.

If this is so, I am thankful to you for the reminder. Yes, I am aware that to view my journey as a series of separate, discrete steps and techniques is also a mind construct - but this quite often tends to be forgotten by me, as I have a tendency to want to define and set out my progress like rungs on a ladder.

For example, I have stated a couple times on this forum that learning body language is a waste of time. I prefer to work on the internals (being comfortable with myself, etc.) knowing that this would gradually take care of my "body language". It's not something I worry about in the least. But at the same time, a little over a year ago someone told me that they could tell I was anxious just by looking at me. Although I was aware that they possibly had a motive for trying to make me feel self-conscious (basically, his girlfriend was flirting excessively with me, blatently in front of him), I still tested the validity of this for myself, and realised that there was a whole lot of tension in my shoulders. Apparently I had been tensing them into a slightly upraised position, possibly for my whole adult life. Since then, I would find myself "feeling" my body every now and again for any signs of similar strain or inefficencies, and making small adjustments accordingly (large ones would feel to forced and unnatural, so I tend to make these corrections incrementally). Although my focus is on the mind, there is no "danger of incongruence" in adjusting the externals every now & again - after all, it's my body; I have to live in it every day. And I am therefore approaching things from multiple angles at once.

So thank you for the reminder - to view the whole process as just that - A WHOLE.

On this subject, discrete individual techniques versus one whole, integrated process is just another version of "Try not." versus "Do, or do not.", isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: After The Red Pill
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Red pill is analogy for the integration of this but it's important to distinguish that when you fully see and accept things, it is not a problem and there is deep peace. It is not like you learn to tolerate a shitty unfair world - shitty, unfair etc are only judgements when compared to an ideal that is mental and not really there. You lose the illusion of a story book / super hero life but what you gain is so much more valuable.

You can finally accept and enjoy people , women, the world for what it really is and not what you thought it should be.
Since I was just spontaneously writing rather than giving a "progress report" or anything, I didn't explicitly say this: I see already that "that's just how they live, and more power to 'em. It's their choice." is where I am headed. You see, more often than not, although I observe what I mention in my post, my focus tends to be ON ME these days. Yes, I still get pissed off at the state of things, but more "spaces" are opening in this stream of thinking where I truly recognise that my only concern is the quality of how I live. This realy is my primary focus of interest these days, and I don't think it's just for the result - I find I enjoy observing myself the same way I enjoy a piece of music I really like or a book I really enjoy.

Basically, I want to enjoy this journey as I travel along it, since I may not be back this way again; even if I do travel this road again, it will not be as the exact same person(a) I am now. So I am going to continue to use this thread to chronicle where I am & how I feel AT THE MOMENT (whenever I feel the urge to write about it), and that includes any doubts or anxieties that I may feel at the time, even if they "last for approx. 3.47 milliseconds". This helps me not only to enjoy the journey more, but shines a light on me - once I write it down, it's there, and I can look at it objectively, at my leisure.

Having said that, I really do appreciate you guys shining YOUR lights on it as well. ;)

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