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Author:  StephenP [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Logic/emotion
I heard Joe Rogan give a great quote but not sure who it's originally by.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
Author:  GoldenBoy [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Logic/emotion
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Life+is+a+tragedy+ ... +who+think

First link : http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Horace_Walpole

Quote :
Quote:
The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.
Letter to Anne, Countess of Ossory, (1776-08-16)
Original form:
I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel — a solution of why Democritus laughed and Heraclitus wept.
Letter to Sir Horace Mann (1769-12-31)
A favourite saying of Walpole's, often repeated in his letters, this might be derived from a similar statement attributed to Jean de La Bruyère, though unsourced: "Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think".

Nice quote though :ugeek:
Author:  rant [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Logic/emotion
StephenP wrote:
I heard Joe Rogan give a great quote but not sure who it's originally by.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
it goes the other way around.
Author:  Scarf [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:53 am ]
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rant wrote:
StephenP wrote:
I heard Joe Rogan give a great quote but not sure who it's originally by.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
it goes the other way around.
Completely agree.
Author:  GoldenBoy [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:15 am ]
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Scarf wrote:
rant wrote:
StephenP wrote:
I heard Joe Rogan give a great quote but not sure who it's originally by.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
it goes the other way around.
Completely agree.
What does that tell us than being inTj I like the original, and Scarf being esFj the opposite ? :mrgreen:
Author:  Altair [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:55 am ]
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Haha, I'm an INTJ too and I like the original
Author:  Scarf [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Logic/emotion
GoldenBoy wrote:

What does that tell us than being inTj I like the original, and Scarf being esFj the opposite ? :mrgreen:

That you are not thinking hard enough?

Aren't thinkers supposed to take in all the evidence presented to them?

Such as my post, the one you refer to, the same post that states that I 'majored' in Psychology and would perhaps be aware of the questions asked, their answers and their inevitable results?

Or perhaps the very same post where I implied that I didn't agree with the assessment?

Or in my other posts where I have favoured emotion as being more crucial than intellect, particularly in the field of social relationships?


Could it be perhaps, more logical to assume that emotion is the first response to an external stimuli, with the second result a thought from the projected emotion?

Is it possible, perhaps, that logical thinking can only occur after the emotion is put aside?

Is it more logical or emotional to follow your gut instinct?

Now where's the logic in that?
Author:  Jared [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:35 pm ]
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>>>There must always be an emotional context behind the usage of data.<<<

I aim for Emotional&Logical --->Coherence.
(Not only Emotional or Logical, but Coherent(?) would be
the term then(?)

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2011/1 ... fails-you/

>>>Physically speaking, your emotional brain is mostly in your head,
but it’s also partly in your chest. Your heart actually has its own tiny brain
consisting of about 40,000 neurites.<<<

>>>Coherence has many benefits. It feels good emotionally, but it’s also
good for your health, your mental performance, your social life, and beyond.<<<
Author:  StephenP [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:02 pm ]
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Whoa, this is interesting. I'm an INT and liked the original.

I just look back to anytime my emotions/natural instinct would have driven me to get jealous, to start pursuing a girl that I hadn't heard from in a while, or to fill the space.

I used to logic to overcome these negative emotional drives.

And think ;) about it, how funny is it that once we let go of needing women they start pursuing us in droves
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:10 pm ]
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I agree with Scarf...this quote is like a literary palindrome. :geek:

Ignorance is bliss...and usually, the more you know, the more you wish you DIDN'T know. ;)
Author:  Gonzo [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:49 pm ]
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I think the human mind is way too simple to understand the complex world around us. Intuition would be better for that.

Not sure where emotions come in though or what role they play...
Author:  Altair [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:14 pm ]
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The Kidd!! wrote:
I agree with Scarf...this quote is like a literary palindrome. :geek:

Ignorance is bliss...and usually, the more you know, the more you wish you DIDN'T know. ;)
Learned a new word today, I disagree though better to be an intellectual dissatisfied than a pig satisfied.
Gonzo wrote:
I think the human mind is way too simple to understand the complex world around us. Intuition would be better for that.

Not sure where emotions come in though or what role they play...
Intuition is based on evaluating your surroundings logical statements once processed go into automatic/subconscious mode. If you feel legitimate intuition it's because your mind has processed it and put it into your subconscious.

Emotions are biochemical responses from a time before the rational mind could make decisions on the level it makes them now.
Author:  The GK2 [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:40 pm ]
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rant wrote:
StephenP wrote:
I heard Joe Rogan give a great quote but not sure who it's originally by.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
it goes the other way around.
What an intriguing quote, thanks for sharing. I kinda agree to both.

"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think."
You, can think your way to the truth (the Matrix) and then feel the tragedy of it. I've been there for a long time, finally seeing a way out.

"Life is a tragedy to those who think, and a comedy to those who feel."
This one is harder to explain, but it did hit a cord with me. Maybe because I know most people in the Matrix overthink, because they are more like machines rather than real people. Nowadays, I'm generelly in a happy state (feel), most people don't understand why.
Author:  GoldenBoy [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Logic/emotion
I'm glad my phrase triggered such reactions :lol:

I'll add this to clear my opinion hopefully :

MBTI is merely an indicator of how you FEEL / THINK about yourself at the present moment (or you wouldn't consciously choose certain answers over others) ... Therefore my question was merely representing that those who consciously view themselves as Thinkers prefer to view 'Feelers' as more miserable.

As my opinion, it works both ways, as some people pursue IDEAS, are caught in their thoughts, and other crave FEELINGS, creating miserableness in the two cases.
Quote:
Or in my other posts where I have favoured emotion as being more crucial than intellect, particularly in the field of social relationships?
As you resulted F instead of T, I would assume you favour emotions than intellect :mrgreen: HENCE my question :mrgreen:
Quote:
Could it be perhaps, more logical to assume that emotion is the first response to an external stimuli, with the second result a thought from the projected emotion?
Nope, there is a feeling (physical), and then a projection (emotion and/or thought).

Emotion is merely for me an interpretation of the 'gut feeling' present in my body (if my body freezes, you can't say it's because I was scared, it depends on the individual and the circumstances) ...
Quote:
Is it more logical or emotional to follow your gut instinct?
I see both logic and emotions the same way, like the two sides of the same coin.
So I would say both.

The logic is that I don't second-guess, I don't overthink, I don't indulge in emotional tentrums ... I just DO, or DON'T DO.
Author:  zogler [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:48 am ]
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The Kidd!! wrote:
Ignorance is bliss...and usually, the more you know, the more you wish you DIDN'T know. ;)
In general, very true. The truth is not for the faint of heart, they can't handle it.

But, this forum is a forum for the natural awakening and self-realization of men. By definition, if the above statement applies for any member of this forum, he might as well leave for a utopian one such as Zan's.

As far as intuition and the gut instinct are concerned, I concur with The Kidd: "Logic is the training wheel for intuition".

If I were to feel when it comes to women who can't find a real man, people who die prematurely, get manipulated and exploited and so on, I would feel sorry for them. But, after rational thinking, I couldn't care less about them because they own up to their misery, they caused it with their self-destructive behaviour.

I even laugh at our mad world, on occasion. For example, my father was on a calling and wishing spree this morning, full of empty, fake wishes, when deep inside he truly cares only about himself. Wishes are mere words after all, effortless and instant. Actions speak louder than words, but they are time and energy consuming, why try too much when you can get away with a wish and a (fake) smile? :)
Author:  Jared [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:45 pm ]
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zogler wrote:
The Kidd!! wrote:
Ignorance is bliss...and usually, the more you know, the more you wish you DIDN'T know. ;)

If I were to feel when it comes to women who can't find a real man,
Those are the women I avoid on purpose. Hidden clues in that
complaint on every word. (Though complaining isn´t necessarily
a permanent way of reacting...)

Of course we are responsible for everything that "happens" to us,
once we are aware that we are responsible.

The only time we can be responsible is in the PRESENT MOMENT!

And that means that we can only be responsible for our response
on how we think, emote and do with the things when they occur.
We are responsible for the effort and not the result, which is up to
the Universe. And responding is different from reaction, because you
actually have to think.
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:49 pm ]
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zogler hit the nail on the head and clarifies what I was going for. I'm confident that we can all concurr that:

-The quote as is refers to enlightened men such as us who solemnly accept the burden of the truth.

- The 'palindrome' of said quote applies to the rest of the steak eating population. 8-)

Agreed? :geek:
Author:  Scarf [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:19 pm ]
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Author:  rant [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:24 pm ]
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i see it more as people acting in characters, that's why it is a comedy even if what they present you seems like a real tragedy.

so you have this piece of art acting like a caring mother or a caring father or a religios person, you can only act by thinking that you are a caring father a caring mother etc..., and i see it as wow life is great.

i think that there is a missconception about what logic is, that by logic truth is something horrible, it can be for most people so i can go on the world thinking i'm logical and berate against the love songs, marriage peace religion etc, what is this shit? it's not logical becasue it is not horrible and truth is horrible.

i can say from my experience that logic seemed as the oposite becasue it's not that i feel for people(in the matrix way of thinking) wich means being caritative or altrusitic but i like them more than before and as i see that their characters have no power it is more cute.
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:25 pm ]
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It appears we are at an impasse. :lol:
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