Natural Freedom

Forum for the natural awakening and self-realization of men
It is currently Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:19 pm

All times are UTC+01:00




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 105 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 3 4 5 6 »
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:00 pm
Posts: 1675
I wondered a long time before putting it here, but I reread a thread from Sniper saying "when alpha-men have sex with a woman they won't forget it" so there it is :
Quote:
A Typical Weekend For An Alpha, a Life Ruined For A Beta

from Reddit:
Quote:
Me and my GF are both 30. We have good jobs and make a reasonable amount of money. We have been together for 5 years.

I love her very much. She is to be frank the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. She could easily be a model. She is many guys ideal woman and a certain 10/10. Whenever she goes out she gets hit on CONSTANTLY. Whether i’m there or not actually.

Me, not so much although I have no problem attracting women. I am above average (7/10) and take care of myself, but I couldn’t be a male model or anything.

Generally our relationship has been fantastic. Neither of us has been unfaithful and we are very much in love. I certainly love her very very much.

The last six or so months have been stressful however. Work has been into overdrive for both of us, and although we’ve made a reasonable amount of money towards buying our first house either of us getting home before 10pm has been very rare. Basically we’ve been exhausted and have neglected both sex and our relationship, although not for any other reason than time and being exhausted. My feelings haven’t altered one iota and neither have hers.

Fast forward to around 2.5 months ago when we were both invited to separate reunions with old friends across the country (neither of us are originally from the area we’re living in now). It was a great opportunity for both of us to blow off steam after working so hard and neglecting life for a few months, although we were both disappointed it wasn’t going to be with each other.

So we kissed, told each other how much we loved and will miss each other, and I went across the country to my hotel and she went to hers.

Lets just say, we had VERY different weekends.

Hers involved going to a party where in her words, the most good looking guy she has ever seen approached her. Apparently he was a friend of a friend of someone else at the party. She basically said every woman was getting wet just looking at him and she was just on a high that this guy approached her. She didn’t plan on anything, but everyone was drinking heavily and she ended up in bed with him……. FOR MOST OF THE WEEKEND.

When she came back she was the most loving attentive girlfriend you have ever seen. I was still too tired/exhausted for sex, but literally she was like a stepford wife in the weeks that followed. I stupidly just put it down to her missing me and loved that she loved me so much.

Fast forward again, she broke down and said she couldn’t cope with the lie anymore and told me everything. Prompted I’m sure by her finding out that morning that she’s pregnant. There is ZERO possibility of it being mine.

She is the most sorry and frightened woman you have ever seen. She even asked me to physically assault her because she is so angry and upset that she cheated on me. She will do ANYTHING I want to make things ok. It’s a bit scary actually. She is frightened and literally shaking at the prospect of me leaving her.

If i’m honest with myself I think most of the fear is about the baby. She is crying saying she can’t get rid of it and she is terrified of keeping it and raising it alone.

I was completely and utterly numb and heartbroken.

I said to her that before I go any further, I need the truth. Literally every second of what happened that weekend or I’m out the door. I knew this was a double edged sword and that the reality and cold facts could destroy me, but I’m one of these people who can’t not know.

The facts were horrifying and made me physically sick. I actually threw up. Basically my girlfriend was this guys personal porn star for the weekend. Some highlights:-

It was the roughest most aggressive sex she has ever experienced, and she fucking loved every minute of it. It was the best sex she has ever experienced.
She had several powerful and intense orgasms during their weekend in bed. She has never ever cum like this before with anyone or solo.
His dick was the best she has ever taken. 9″ (he made her fucking measure it during one of their sex games) which rubbed all the right areas and he could keep going for hours
They didn’t use protection (obviously) and he came in her mouth (she swallowed) all over her face, her tits and inside her several times during their weekend together. (How big were this guys balls?) Fun fact, after he came on her tits he pushed her back on the bed and scooped up his cum with his finger and FED it to her.
He smacked her during sex (not too hard), her ass and her face and before she had time to even feel the pain or react he would whisper something or do something passionate that made her just let him “keep going” so she said. So he basically taught my girlfriend to enjoy some BDSM that weekend. Awesome.
He caught some of the above on his camera phone. So there is a video somewhere of my girlfriend basically acting like a pornstar in a cheap hotel room.

So, Reddit. I can’t say I didn’t consider the implications of asking, but fucking hell I have had my heart firmly ripped from me.

Currently therefore I have a girlfriend who is pregnant by a male model BDSM hero with a magic cock, who is going to have his baby, and who is so sorry she will do whatever the fuck I want so that I can somehow get over this and stay with her. Basically I can treat her however I please as long as I don’t leave. It’s fine if I hate her for the rest of my life even as long as I stay with her.

We have been talking about marriage and kids this last year and she is desperate for me to commit to that still. She keeps promising to spend the rest of her life making this up to me and will be the perfect wife I could possibly want.

I don’t even know what to think right now. I feel like every sense I have has been shorted out and I am now totally numb.

My first instinct is to just wait for her to work in the morning, then pack up all my stuff and just leave. I am not the type of guy to raise another guys baby. Especially now I know the full circumstances of how it was conceived. We have just 2 months left on our lease and I can easily switch to a different end of the country with my job very quickly. I feel so grateful for that right now.

So I can literally leave and never speak to or hear from her again.

The only problem is that I am so in love with her. I don’t feel like I’ll ever get over her. Fuck. I’m hesitating. I’m second guessing myself.

What do you think reddit? Is it possible to overcome a situation like this? I can’t think how. I simply cannot raise this guys kid. I can’t. Fuck.

My heads all over the place. Rational thoughts would be awesome about now.
Reading this, I’m reminded of a line from a song I heard once: “This shit happens to me all the tiiii-iiiii-ii-iiiime….”

I bet it wasn’t even anything special for the alpha dude. Most likely, this is what a perfectly normal weekend looks like for him, and he won’t even remember the girl’s name by next Friday – but for the beta, the images of his girlfriend doing things with the alpha that she never did with him will forever haunt his dreams, and for the girl, no man she’s likely to run into during the rest of her life will probably ever be good enough again.

The funny thing is, the dude probably wasn’t even that good-looking. A woman can be so beautiful that all heads turn when she enters a room, because men are visual creatures, but for a man’s good looks to command similar attention… I’d say it’s more likely he commanded the attention of the group with his charismatic alpha presence and the girl subsequently rationalized it to herself as being because of his physical appearance. The descriptions of the sex certainly support the theory that this man had a very strong alpha frame and used it with finesse to direct the situation in his favor. In certain parts, it almost sounds like he may even have been a student of Game, but he doesn’t have to be. He could just be a natural alpha. This shit happens all the time…

_________________
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:43 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:18 am
Posts: 1735
I'm sincerely happy for both of them.

:)

_________________
GMST
:ugeek:


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:33 am
Posts: 1845
Location: Czech Republic
I don't really see the guy as a Beta.. He's actually guite reasonable leaving her - But we don't know if he left her for sure.
Either way good article.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:55 pm
Posts: 3428
Location: Canada
Wants verus needs.

She gave into what she wanted and should if that guy has ANY self respect lose what she needs. I applaud her honesty though.

Interesting she chose to confess, most people dont after they get away with something

_________________
"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:17 pm
Posts: 572
Location: London, Scarfland
fufe wrote:
I don't really see the guy as a Beta.. He's actually guite reasonable leaving her - But we don't know if he left her for sure.
Either way good article.

This is a fair comment, but the harsh reality is that it is not so.


The fact of the matter is that any guy who enters into any kind of committed relationship with no contingencies whatsoever with regard to alternative short term or long term relationships has without question put his emotions in to the hands of another individual.

As can be witnessed by his own account:
Quote:
I was completely and utterly numb and heartbroken.

This is the true definition of beta. Or as I would like to call him; 'brainwashed'.


This is weighed down further by the fact that she is having a child fathered by another man. If he was to raise this child, he would be the technical definition of a 'beta male'.

I think it's very important to note that this man was not regularly having sex with his partner. In fact, he wasn't having sex with her at all. She had a desire, she fulfilled it.

_________________
Sparkling All Over


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
I can relate to this story...it's kind of the reason why I've been ghost for a bit.

I knew my girl (now my ex) liked this guy from school...and I put us on 'dating' status so that she could get it out of her system and then re-evaluate her and I...and the plan was perfect too...except the dumb bitch decided to not use protection and fuck up on her birth control pills. Long story short, she's pregnant now and doesn't know if I'm the father or this other guy.

Am I heartbroken? NO...I'm just disappointed that the future situation I envisioned will no longer come to pass. The biggest problem is that she chose to lie about it...she was in her right to fuck the guy...I just told her to keep me informed so I could protect myself should it start going down. When she finally said she was ready to re-commit in early April, I asked her if she had done anything...over the next month it went from no...to they kissed...to they had sex once and now shes pregnant (I was still sleeping with her at the same time but I have a feeling that it isn't mine), to they had been fucking for awhile.

This is where the disgustingly interesting true nature of women REALLY shines thru...her mom came at me like 'If you truly love my daughter unconditionally, it doesn't matter whose it is...'...I told that bitch there isn't that much love in the WORLD. :|

Not to mention she failed her semester so now she's a pregnant dropout...I didn't sign up for that. She says she loves me and wants me to be around to support her and that she's done with the other guy (which her mom co-signs)...OF COURSE YOU DO BITCH, I'M THE BEST OPTION. :roll: Much like Scarf said, he was what she WANTED, but I am who she NEEDS...but FUCK all that noise. :?

I told her yesterday that we are FINISHED...I said I don't want to see her until it's time for DNA testing (she's currently 10 weeks or so...she could miscarry still). If its mine, I'll deal with it then. For all of the bullshit crying and begging she has been doing up to that point, she took that declaration silently...and I haven't heard a peep from her since...I'm sure her and her mom are now scheming on how to lock in the other guy...SMH.

A cautionary tale indeed...but like the guy in the story, there is NO WAY I'm raising another man's child that was conceived in such a fashion. She doesn't deserve me and everything I bring to the table. So that's that.

Oh...and it appears I owe Grinus a carton of smokes. :oops:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:00 pm
Posts: 1675
The Kidd!! wrote:
I knew my girl (now my ex) liked this guy from school...and I put us on 'dating' status so that she could get it out of her system and then re-evaluate her and I...and the plan was perfect too...except the dumb bitch decided to not use protection and fuck up on her birth control pills. Long story short, she's pregnant now and doesn't know if I'm the father or this other guy.

Am I heartbroken? NO...I'm just disappointed that the future situation I envisioned will no longer come to pass. The biggest problem is that she chose to lie about it...she was in her right to fuck the guy...I just told her to keep me informed so I could protect myself should it start going down. When she finally said she was ready to re-commit in early April, I asked her if she had done anything...over the next month it went from no...to they kissed...to they had sex once and now shes pregnant (I was still sleeping with her at the same time but I have a feeling that it isn't mine), to they had been fucking for awhile.
I may be as disapointed as you :( :( ... the dark side is more appealing now ...

Forgive my naiveness, but WHY on earth would she WANT (to explore/fuck) that guy (over you) ?
1.You mean your ex NEEDED you but stopped WANTING you ?
Why would she stop wanting you ?

2.Did she want (everything) both of you and thought she would get away anyway ? (as the "spoiled little princess" you described in some posts)

When you say 'dumb bitch', did she show this kind of behaviour or is it a (awfully bad for her) one-timer ?

Did Grinus prophetized this would happen ?


Sorry for the 20questions but your story hurt me deeply ...
Damn if I have to get a whale to infant some GB seeds -> :| .

_________________
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
She's young (22)...she wanted to make sure that I was truly who she wanted to be with for the long haul. But after all of her lying, who KNOWS what's really going on. She knows I'm what she needs in her life...unfortunately women are still creatures of WANT.

She was just feeling herself...the smartest guy in the class was jocking her and catered to her wants...and she went for it.

Who knows if it's a one timer? She's a dumb bitch for fucking up what would have been a great future for us both. It's tough to find someone you totally vibe with, bad habits and all.

'Grinus alluded to it a few times...but I was so blinded by my ambition to have my happy ending that I couldn't see it at the time...looks like I was indeed destined to be alone...I never wanted to accept that...but I guess it is time to embrace it as fact. :geek:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:00 pm
Posts: 1675
The Kidd!! wrote:
She's young (22)...she wanted to make sure that I was truly who she wanted to be with for the long haul. But after all of her lying, who KNOWS what's really going on. She knows I'm what she needs in her life...unfortunately women are still creatures of WANT.

She was just feeling herself...the smartest guy in the class was jocking her and catered to her wants...and she went for it.

Who knows if it's a one timer? She's a dumb bitch for fucking up what would have been a great future for us both. It's tough to find someone you totally vibe with, bad habits and all.

'Grinus alluded to it a few times...but I was so blinded by my ambition to have my happy ending that I couldn't see it at the time...looks like I was indeed destined to be alone...I never wanted to accept that...but I guess it is time to embrace it as fact. :geek:
Thank you for everything.

_________________
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
Anytime...it's all ultimately in the name of science! :ugeek:

Just gonna charge it to the game and keep on doin' me. 8-)

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:17 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:54 am
Posts: 3614
Location: The unknown
@Kidd

I'm so sorry to hear about it man, I can't even express how bad this made me feel...
but you know this:
Quote:
she's a pregnant dropout.
shows you how stupid she is because now she has ruined her future. You said she thought about becoming a doctor, now she will just be a single mom or if she marries that guy- she will be an unhappy housewife (and will probably become a fat unhappy housewife) or
maybe she will get a job in the end BUT not as good as if she had stayed in medical school....

it shows you that she is a stupid bitch and that you don't need her as a wife.

making someone else wear a condom or using birth control pills is the most easy thing + girls learn about it since they are 16 and she couldn't even do that right.

_________________
"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
Sniper wrote:
@Kidd

I'm so sorry to hear about it man, I can't even express how bad this made me feel...
but you know this:
Quote:
she's a pregnant dropout.
shows you how stupid she is because now she has ruined her future. You said she thought about becoming a doctor, now she will just be a single mom or if she marries that guy- she will be an unhappy housewife (and will probably become a fat unhappy housewife) or
maybe she will get a job in the end BUT not as good as if she had stayed in medical school....

it shows you that she is a stupid bitch and that you don't need her as a wife.

making someone else wear a condom or using birth control pills is the most easy thing + girls learn about it since they are 16 and she couldn't even do that right.
My point exactly. :geek:

I appreciate the support guys...honestly this isn't really a tough time for me. As long as she doesn't know who the father is, it's not mine as far as I'm concerned. It's not like I'm a lovesick puppy over here...it's just a big ass disappointment that I wasted so much time with this chick. When her mom said what she said it took everything I had not to laugh in her face! :lol:

They underestimate me...and rightfully so...the picture I had painted of myself for them was beta by design...they never met The Kidd!!...I was was hoping that they would never have to...but now my hand is forced...so they THINK that beta tactics will work on me (i.e. convinced that I love her enough to raise possibly another man's child)...they are sorely mistaken. :geek:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:00 pm
Posts: 1675
The Kidd!! wrote:
I appreciate the support guys...honestly this isn't really a tough time for me. As long as she doesn't know who the father is, it's not mine as far as I'm concerned. It's not like I'm a lovesick puppy over here...it's just a big ass disappointment that I wasted so much time with this chick. When her mom said what she said it took everything I had not to laugh in her face! :lol:

They underestimate me...and rightfully so...the picture I had painted of myself for them was beta by design...they never met The Kidd!!...I was was hoping that they would never have to...but now my hand is forced...so they THINK that beta tactics will work on me (i.e. convinced that I love her enough to raise possibly another man's child)...they are sorely mistaken. :geek:
In a way if you have painted the beta act, finishing how you started would be to raise the kid :ugeek: :mrgreen:

Joke aside, Do you mean you haven't been true to her from jump ? "the picture I had painted of myself for them was beta by design...they never met The Kidd!!"

From what you say, you didn't want her (and her mother) to know YOU "I was was hoping that they would never have to". Why ? (looking back this may have avoided all this, no ?)

I may have extrapolated or distorted what you said, so can you please clear that up ?

_________________
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:32 pm
Posts: 1062
Location: The Real World
The Kidd!! wrote:
This is where the disgustingly interesting true nature of women REALLY shines thru...her mom came at me like 'If you truly love my daughter unconditionally, it doesn't matter whose it is...'...I told that bitch there isn't that much love in the WORLD.
I am still rolling on the floor with this
[ img ]
The Kidd!! wrote:
She's young (22)...she wanted to make sure that I was truly who she wanted to be with for the long haul. But after all of her lying, who KNOWS what's really going on. She knows I'm what she needs in her life...unfortunately women are still creatures of GREED.
Fixed :geek:
The Kidd!! wrote:
Not to mention she failed her semester so now she's a pregnant dropout...I didn't sign up for that. She says she loves me and wants me to be around to support her and that she's done with the other guy (which her mom co-signs)...OF COURSE YOU DO BITCH, I'M THE BEST OPTION.


Code for lazy bitch and had plans for being a parasite at least that's how I perceive it
the Kidd!! wrote:
Who knows if it's a one timer? She's a dumb bitch for fucking up what would have been a great future for us both
Yes we know, they all are by nature because they go off emotions.
The Kidd!! wrote:
but I was so blinded by my ambition to have my happy ending that I couldn't see it at the time
So the steak was good for awhile I understand sometimes I wish I could enjoy steak again but as you have told us we know what the aftertaste is like it looks real good at first dressed up all pretty but it has no true taste. At least Gruel has consistency in its taste.
The Kidd!! wrote:
looks like I was indeed destined to be alone...I never wanted to accept that...but I guess it is time to embrace it as fact. :geek:
To take the red pill is to know solitude

The Kidd wrote:
Just gonna charge it to the game and keep on doin' me. 8-)
*Pulls up a seat offers a drink*

_________________
~There's weakness in the hearts of all humans are you afraid to acknowledge yours... ~
Mr. Todo


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:10 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:18 am
Posts: 1735
All I can say is VAW! :shock: ... I was actually inclined to think that this will happen ever since valentine's day and strong social matrix influence poured all over her. This was a hard reconnecting to the matrix for her that came with so much force, it desestabilized her system strongly.

I know it doesn't REALLY bug TheKidd!!, but it just annoys that a chic with so much potential could destroy his future so stupidly and rampantly. This is a big thing about revealing the weakness (non resistance) of a woman, succumbing so easily to emotions, like a crack addict. If you control/lead (illusory) the emotions, you run the boat of whatever irresponsible human being you stumble upon.

But thre's nothing definitive yet, you have the DNA tests FTW.

:P

_________________
GMST
:ugeek:


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
Quote:
From what you say, you didn't want her (and her mother) to know YOU "I was was hoping that they would never have to". Why ? (looking back this may have avoided all this, no ?)
I thought I was dealing with an X-factor so I acted accordingly...they took my kindness for weakness and my patience for 'unconditional love'...they never HAD to see that side of me...but now THEY HAVE TO...and it is going to shock the shit out of them. :twisted:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:32 pm
Posts: 1062
Location: The Real World
The Kidd!! wrote:
I thought I was dealing with an X-factor so I acted accordingly...they took my kindness for weakness and my patience for 'unconditional love'...they never HAD to see that side of me...but now THEY HAVE TO...and it is going to shock the shit out of them. :twisted:
I like where this is going :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

_________________
~There's weakness in the hearts of all humans are you afraid to acknowledge yours... ~
Mr. Todo


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:44 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:54 am
Posts: 3614
Location: The unknown
Oh and this:
The Kidd!! wrote:
This is where the disgustingly interesting true nature of women REALLY shines thru...her mom came at me like 'If you truly love my daughter unconditionally, it doesn't matter whose it is...'
Shit :roll:
what do they think? that we are that stupid?

or is it the 'bond' thing :lol: , one second I found a bond right here....


[ img ]

_________________
"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:52 pm
Posts: 102
The Kidd!! wrote:
I can relate to this story...

sorry to hear about this Kidd. Being the man i have known you from your posts, it's not going to be a problem for you for sure. It's her loss ;)


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
The funny part of it all is, as far as the story in the first post goes, I have been that 'alpha' guy far too many times to count...I guess it was finally time for me to pay the piper. ;)

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 105 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 3 4 5 6 »

All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to: 

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited