Natural Freedom

No. wait Kidd.

I change my mind. Your original quote is equally as acceptable.



I just want to say that emotion is at the very least, equal to logic.

That's the only point I want to make.

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Sparkling All Over

I agree

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

Right.

I refer to Morpheus' post below just above this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2872


The above post refers to emotional tactics used by normal individuals who wish for you to follow the rules in their world. The difference between successfully staying and leaving the Matrix is emotion.

One can't really simply think your way out of a situation such as this. They may be aware intellectually of all the things going on around them but unless one feels the emotional resonance of their wellbeing and their trust in themselves, the individual's thinking and their actions will not match as failure to take control of one's emotions mean that they are open to manipulation. Fear of the unknown will be fed to them after they take hold, the person can find themselves doing things that they know they shouldn't but just did it anyway.

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Exactly my thoughts last few months, Scarf you did excellent job at putting my thoughts on paper, since I have hard time doing it

You are welcome fufe.


As such, I rest my case.

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Bruce Lee also talked about this, but he mentioned natural instict (emotion and instincts) and control (logical thinking)
I find it relevant

And I'm ENFJ and I like both, I can't comprehend the first version but can understand the second

Also StephenP I'm happy for you you could overcome your bad emotional behaviors with logic, but for person like me, NO FUCKIN WAY. And I tried it and exactly what Scarf said happened - My actions were still the same and emotions just camouflaged themselves into background. I personally thinks it's the xxFx type's thing - Gotta deal with emotions emotionally first and then logically work with them... Not the other way around for me.
Now, I'm using "hooey" EFT technques to confront my emotional responses - I don't get any pictures, memories or anything, but I do get those emotional whoosh states you guys talk about when talking about releasing and letting go.
I'm very convinced, that it is very much connected to neurological system - I had experience, when getting to the root of the emotional fear, when parts of my body were vibrating, it got tothe point when my left hand was vibrating like never in my life, with some meridian points pulsating like hell - You guys can shout hooey here and hooey there, but you can't take that experience from me, because it felt like something blocked and is releasing and going away slowly. And after I dealt with it, it slowly subdued, disappeared and lot of weight fell of my chest.

Now I'm very convinced that not only uncouscious remembers, but body itself remembers. And it tells us it's hurts if we let it. But yeah isn't unconscious really only bunch of neurons storing all the information ?

Also, in my opninion, emotions are driver, motivator... With only logic, I don't think any of us would do anything, if it weren't even for the little amount of some kinda emotion - But I have a question, do you think state of peace is emotion, or pure emptiness, or emotion out of emptiness or what ?

This discussion somehow seemed to tie a few things together for me, funny thing is I feel this new understanding but can't quite put words to it.

I agree with a balance (edit: and depends on whose viewpoint we are talking about - here or the general public)

There also has to be some sort of fundamental difference between the negative emotions of jealousy, neediness, etc that drive people to do things even though they know it's wrong, versus that deep gut level feeling (that a lot of times is correct in spite of seeming to go against all logical thought in the moment).

Maybe ego plays a part in the first example and masks the true gut response.

Quote from Elementary S01E04.

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