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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:17 am 
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I did it by handling the truth...by looking past what society dictates we should be doing and seeing what is really going on. Once you can plainly a woman's ugly nature, you have no desire to feel anything but contempt for them half the time.
this comes down to what you said before:

that besdies the media, our mothers and fathers didn't tell us that not all women will be like our mothers and that a lot of women just like men are bad.

The only difference between men and women is that women are better at hiding it and they get help from modern media for the most part.

dam, I have met so many women that from the outside appear so nice and sweet but when you get to know them from the inside: they are not...
But today I can smell bullshit from miles away and it's a good thing 8-)

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For all the bullshit women and the media say they go through in this [western] society, they sure have it good.

They've got nothing to bitch about.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:22 am 
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Alchemist wrote:
For all the bullshit women and the media say they go through in this [western] society, they sure have it good.

They've got nothing to bitch about.
some of the social matrix is bad for women but it's bad for men as well. However unlike Rion used to say: women are not such 'poor victims'- that's what they want us to beleive where in reality they often use the social matrix for their advantage. I have talked about it with peregrinus before.....

we are not living in times where women have no rights. Today they have the same
opportunities as men (or even more than men) + they have social power that is powered up by modern media- they know it and they use it.

Of course some of the social matrix is not good for them, like the pressure to always look good and buy many things- but on the other hand they know it powers them up and they use it to their advantage.

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The Kidd!! wrote:
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I wouldn't want to shut off my emotions, however I'm curious to know about your experience with it Kidd...

How did you find out a way to do it?
Why are you unable to go back after deciding to go that route?
Do you feel anything ever?
I did it by handling the truth...by looking past what society dictates we should be doing and seeing what is really going on. Once you can plainly a woman's ugly nature, you have no desire to feel anything but contempt for them half the time. Like I said though, I have installed an on/off switch on my emotions, so to say...so it's not that I don't or can't feel...I can just decide if and/or when I WANT to.

So to clarify...I can feel. I work in a hospital, so by nature i can be very compassionate, caring and loving...but fucking piss me off, say the wrong shit or rub me the wrong way and I will treat whoever the offending party is worse than a dead dog...without any second thought, remorse or regret. It even frightens me sometimes how dark I can be if I let myself get to that point...but if I do get there, trust me, someone deserved every single bit of it.

Having read this post, I'm not sure if you're much different from me. In fact you sound tame in comparison to me;

If every one of my family members died tomorrow, I wouldn't flinch.

It seems that I have got there naturally given my past experiences in life.

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If every one of my family members died tomorrow, I wouldn't flinch.
Ironically enough, I wouldn't either. :|

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I also must credit the PUAs. Not only did they roboticise socialisation, they proved that women could fall blindly for such flimsy interactions.

One must be shalllow themselves to fall for such shallow tricks.


Of course, my opinions have evolved since then and the process of caculating everything came long, long before the modern pick up community.

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I'd like to know how the Kidd stopped his emotions.

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I'd like to know how the Kidd stopped his emotions.
There's an app for that...it's call SEARCH THE FUCKING FORUM. :|

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This shit is deep. Kidd might have been able to pull it off, but from what I've read about him his mind works in a very interesting manner.

I've thought about getting rid of emotions, hell who hasn't at one point? But thinking about it and doing it are two separate things. It's not guaranteed that it will be healthy, at all. It might be elimination, it might be repression, I'm leaning more towards repression.

But ask yourself this. Kidd left a cat stranded in the desert. Does that bother you at all? And are you willing to detach that much?

I"m in the same situation....I'd sleep like a baby. And I have emotions 8-)

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Also as time goes on I notice I'm more and more interested in myself as opposed to women, If a situation comes up where I have to compromise myself for a girl. I don't do it, I do things out of kindness but never to get anything in return, and even when things line up anyways I still don't care. And I value relationships and intimacy and sex less and less, all I care about is myself. It's kinda awesome.

It's what the pua's talk about but never achieve, because their life speaks against what they say.

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Scarf wrote:
I also must credit the PUAs. Not only did they roboticise socialisation, they proved that women could fall blindly for such flimsy interactions.

One must be shalllow themselves to fall for such shallow tricks.


Of course, my opinions have evolved since then and the process of caculating everything came long, long before the modern pick up community.
I agree with you however this
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they proved that women could fall blindly for such flimsy interactions
is not 100% accurate (unless I misunderstood you).

if most women fell blindly for such flimsy interactions then most guys would not have to approach 5000 women or 2000 women to see very little to no results.

you probably know that most guys are doing tons of approaching and get nothing or very little results.

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One's 'failure' with women is a reflection of themselves, not their tactics.

Approaching 1000 to 5000 women is an extremely steep learning curve and one that allows for years of conditioning to change faster than the many many years of conditioning that every boy went through. The most successful PUAs are not the ones who are looking for end physical interaction, they are the ones looking to find out what works.

If something doesn't work, they'll throw it out and try something new. They are not really trying to get the girl, they are trying to perfect the interaction. Trying to make it consistent enough so that they can get consistent results and ultimately, never have to worry about the problem that has plagued their whole lives ever again.

However, most guys in the community cannot see past getting the girl and this is largely because they have never been manipulated by one. As a result, they are not willing to throw their morals out the window and attempt to see the truth. That is why most PUAs acquire a false sense of direction and when it doesn't work, they will blame the PUA coaches and call them charlatans and when it does work, they think it's their tactics that are working.

They never look beyond the words to see how their confidence affects them. That confidence sometimes has to come from approaching 1-5000 women. Particularly when they're inexperienced.

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Scarf wrote:

They never look beyond the words to see how their confidence affects them. That confidence sometimes has to come from approaching 1-5000 women. Particularly when they're inexperienced.
What the hell are you talking about? :|

Confidence comes from something deeper, approaching hundreds of women alone won't do it, you know this.

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Alchemist wrote:
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They never look beyond the words to see how their confidence affects them. That confidence sometimes has to come from approaching 1-5000 women. Particularly when they're inexperienced.
What the hell are you talking about? :|

Confidence comes from something deeper, approaching hundreds of women alone won't do it, you know this.
I think what he meant was that if you study let's say: 20 different PUA approached and conversation tactics, you went out and approached 1000 women to test them all out and let's say you saw that from all the 20: there are 3 that really worked well (for you) on most women...

Then you drop the other 17 and start to use only these specific 3 on all women- you will be getting success and it can boost your confidence because you will be getting consistent results.

The problem is that most guys use the same tactics that don't work over and over again - and if you keep doing what does not work on 5000 women then of course it would only damage your Confidence.

(I'm talking from the PUA realm here. If one does the hardcore inner work like The Kidd, then he won't have to approach so many women because he will draw the confidence from within and women will follow as a byproduct...). But most people don't want to do the inner hardcore work (cause it's a lot harder) and would rather search for a quick fixes.

But in the end a man won't feel good about himself unless he does the real hardcore inner work, even if he managed to sleep with many women using PUA tricks- if he feels bad from within no amount of lays will cover that up.

Now I'll give an exmaple to what Scarf was saying and something you might have seen for yourself:

Zan found the 1700's Don Juan approach to work for him because he likes this style and he was able to integrate that style into his approached and interactions. But if I did it (and I did try it a long time ago..) it doesn't work for me cause it's not my style and doesn't go hand in hand with my personality- so I dropped it.

But if I were to continue to do it on 5000 women - nothing is going to happen and then my confidence will only get a blow.

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Noone knows what Zan does behind closed doors but something tells me it's not the Don Juan act, I think he gets other guys to act like that around him to increase his own chances.

I really find it hard to believe that amorati shit would work on anyone. :lol:

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I think what he meant was that if you study let's say: 20 different PUA approached and conversation tactics, you went out and approached 1000 women to test them all out and let's say you saw that from all the 20: there are 3 that really worked well (for you) on most women...

Then you drop the other 17 and start to use only these specific 3 on all women- you will be getting success and it can boost your confidence because you will be getting consistent results.

The problem is that most guys use the same tactics that don't work over and over again - and if you keep doing what does not work on 5000 women then of course it would only damage your Confidence.

(I'm talking from the PUA realm here. If one does the hardcore inner work like The Kidd, then he won't have to approach so many women because he will draw the confidence from within and women will follow as a byproduct...). But most people don't want to do the inner hardcore work (cause it's a lot harder) and would rather search for a quick fixes.

But in the end a man won't feel good about himself unless he does the real hardcore inner work, even if he managed to sleep with many women using PUA tricks- if he feels bad from within no amount of lays will cover that up.

Now I'll give an exmaple to what Scarf was saying and something you might have seen for yourself:

Zan found the 1700's Don Juan approach to work for him because he likes this style and he was able to integrate that style into his approached and interactions. But if I did it (and I did try it a long time ago..) it doesn't work for me cause it's not my style and doesn't go hand in hand with my personality- so I dropped it.

But if I were to continue to do it on 5000 women - nothing is going to happen and then my confidence will only get a blow.

Exactly right.

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The Science of ‘Inside Out’
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“Inside Out” is about how five emotions — personified as the characters Anger, Disgust, Fear, Sadness and Joy — grapple for control of the mind of an 11-year-old girl named Riley during the tumult of a move from Minnesota to San Francisco. (One of us suggested that the film include the full array of emotions now studied in science, but Mr. Docter rejected this idea for the simple reason that the story could handle only five or six characters.)

Riley’s personality is principally defined by Joy, and this is fitting with what we know scientifically. Studies find that our identities are defined by specific emotions, which shape how we perceive the world, how we express ourselves and the responses we evoke in others.

But the real star of the film is Sadness, for “Inside Out” is a film about loss and what people gain when guided by feelings of sadness. Riley loses friends and her home in her move from Minnesota. Even more poignantly, she has entered the preteen years, which entails a loss of childhood.

We do have some quibbles with the portrayal of sadness in “Inside Out.” Sadness is seen as a drag, a sluggish character that Joy literally has to drag around through Riley’s mind. In fact, studies find that sadness is associated with elevated physiological arousal, activating the body to respond to loss. And in the film, Sadness is frumpy and off-putting. More often in real life, one person’s sadness pulls other people in to comfort and help.

Those quibbles aside, however, the movie’s portrayal of sadness successfully dramatizes two central insights from the science of emotion.

But the truth is that emotions guide our perceptions of the world, our memories of the past and even our moral judgments of right and wrong, most typically in ways that enable effective responses to the current situation. For example, studies find that when we are angry we are acutely attuned to what is unfair, which helps animate actions that remedy injustice.

We see this in “Inside Out.” Sadness gradually takes control of Riley’s thought processes about the changes she is going through. This is most evident when Sadness adds blue hues to the images of Riley’s memories of her life in Minnesota. Scientific studies find that our current emotions shape what we remember of the past. This is a vital function of Sadness in the film: It guides Riley to recognize the changes she is going through and what she has lost, which sets the stage for her to develop new facets of her identity.

Second, emotions organize — rather than disrupt — our social lives. Studies have found, for example, that emotions structure (not just color) such disparate social interactions as attachment between parents and children, sibling conflicts, flirtations between young courters and negotiations between rivals.

Other studies find that it is anger (more so than a sense of political identity) that moves social collectives to protest and remedy injustice. Research that one of us has conducted has found that expressions of embarrassment trigger others to forgive when we’ve acted in ways that momentarily violate social norms.

This insight, too, is dramatized in the movie. You might be inclined to think of sadness as a state defined by inaction and passivity — the absence of any purposeful action. But in “Inside Out,” as in real life, sadness prompts people to unite in response to loss. We see this first in an angry outburst at the dinner table that causes Riley to storm upstairs to lie alone in a dark room, leaving her dad to wonder what to do.

And toward the end of the film, it is Sadness that leads Riley to reunite with her parents, involving forms of touch and emotional sounds called “vocal bursts” — which one of us has studied in the lab — that convey the profound delights of reunion.

“Inside Out” offers a new approach to sadness. Its central insight: Embrace sadness, let it unfold, engage patiently with a preteen’s emotional struggles. Sadness will clarify what has been lost (childhood) and move the family toward what is to be gained: the foundations of new identities, for children and parents alike.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/05/opin ... e-out.html

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“Inside Out” offers a new approach to sadness. Its central insight: Embrace sadness, let it unfold, engage patiently with a preteen’s emotional struggles. Sadness will clarify what has been lost (childhood) and move the family toward what is to be gained: the foundations of new identities, for children and parents alike.
In my life I have seen people massively motivated by sadness, if they let it.

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“Inside Out” offers a new approach to sadness. Its central insight: Embrace sadness, let it unfold, engage patiently with a preteen’s emotional struggles. Sadness will clarify what has been lost (childhood) and move the family toward what is to be gained: the foundations of new identities, for children and parents alike.
In my life I have seen people massively motivated by sadness, if they let it.
I see this message come up again and again... accept it, listen, don't fight it.

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