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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:56 am 
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I'm just saying that for anyone who thinks giving up wanting women will make them a chick magnet....
What can say, I never beleived Marcus's fairy tales that he got chicks all over him because he stopped wanting women. I was not naive like some other dudes on realm.....

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:36 pm 
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I think what marcus was trying to say was don't make women the main focus of your life. He is right in that respect, but it won't make you a chick magnet. Marcus clearly wanted women, why else would he go out to clubs? I'd like to say something about not wanting though. Its good to want, its good to have passion in life, it is good to be attached to your emotions and feelings.
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I've come to value peace of mind highly, and most women aren't worth it because I can feel that it would affect my peace of mind to get involved with them
Ok, I want you to answer honestly. Is this statement coming from a fear of rejection? Why can't you have peace of mind and women? I'm just being a real hard-ass right now because I want you to realize that this whole "not wanting" thing is sometimes a defense mechanism. Not wanting means not having women as your source of happiness. It doesn't mean not approaching women, not having sex with women, not having great connections with women, not pushing that comfort zone aka peace of mind in some cases.

I used to "not want" women so I couldn't get rejected. I'd never push myself or leave my comfort zone because if I put my heart out there and showed my interest I was afraid it would be stomped on and crushed. I played it safe, I acted like I didn't need them and I ultimately hated myself for it on some level. At our most biological level we WANT sex, it is hardwired into us. Repressing that is a blow to your own self and it's being very inauthentic and most women are gonna see that.

This is just some tough love I'm throwing your way. I want you to take a good hard look at yourself. Have you truly stopped wanting women or are you using it as an excuse in order to avoid rejection? Are you facing your fears or are you running away from them? Answer yourself honestly, even if you don't think it is the right response.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:42 pm 
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When I read his post for the first time in February 2009 I knew
he was talking about the real deal and it took me 5 days after
that to really key in to me, and all has been clear and busy ever since.
(So it only confirmed me everything I already knew and
experienced)

I know it´s all about the Alpha State with women, the men I
talk to know it´s about the State (although they´ve never read
about it from anywhere, don´t use that exact wording, or such,
it´s just our experience talking.)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:08 pm 
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In case some of you didn't know, Marcus was a student of Brent and had loads of posts on Brent's forum.
Some of the stuff he wrote on realm- I have already heard from other teachers so besides Brent, who knows what other teachers he learned from and 'forgot' to mention....

I don't think Marcus really gave up women but even if he did, it was not due to 'natural grounding' (like he said). Watching Asian music videos is just a fantasy, like porn (Ok not exacly the same but still just a fantasy...).

If he really found peace of mind and stopped wanting women (which I don't believe) I wonder why he never gave any practical advise of what he did to get there.....

He was also not bad with women and had success before he came to Realm, so some people can give up wanting success after they already had it (as I said before).
For some people it's hard to give up, stop wanting, whatever.....unless they already had some success.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:45 pm 
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You know Shay as time flies and I test NG I also find it hard to believe that Marcus, or anyone else for than matter, used NG "the Rion way" and really achieved success by that.

I think he went through a big change in his awareness (or in a less spiritual woo-woo word - the way he sees life). He had ideas from Brent (from what you say) and also from sources like Urban Monk's blog and perhaps even Sedona Method, and maybe with Rion's point of view, he was able to see it when he did NG... We will never know, I guess. I would also be interested to find out where did Rion get his mindset from? Doing NG made him realize that the man is the stimulus in the relationship? I doubt it.

Anyway I think that NG is a tool for bringing up emotions (which is not effective in comparison to really going out and getting out of your comfort zone), it's great for also feeling more compassion and appreciation for women and their femininity/authenticity and above all, and that is the reason I keep doing it - it destroys the desire for porn. I stopped doing NG about a week and a half ago, after two days I had a great urge to watch porn and masturbate at least twice a day (I hope now you can finally die complete, now that you know all about my masturbation habbits ;) ), I got back to it two days ago and the desire is just gone. Sometimes it comes, and I picture SNSD's Yuri or Sunny, and I don't wanna watch porn anymore. It's not their ugly or something (they're beautiful, especially Yuri), I just feel this warmth that I know is better than porn, which leaves me feeling drained and pretty bad in general.

My hope is that through NG, I can recondition my mind to stop with the porn habbit for good.

I have no idea how the hell I got to write all about this, sorry for the off topic.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:06 am 
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Bonder wrote:
You know Shay as time flies and I test NG I also find it hard to believe that Marcus, or anyone else for than matter, used NG "the Rion way" and really achieved success by that.

I think he went through a big change in his awareness (or in a less spiritual woo-woo word - the way he sees life). He had ideas from Brent (from what you say) and also from sources like Urban Monk's blog and perhaps even Sedona Method, and maybe with Rion's point of view, he was able to see it when he did NG... We will never know, I guess. I would also be interested to find out where did Rion get his mindset from? Doing NG made him realize that the man is the stimulus in the relationship? I doubt it.
No, Rion said himself that what made him 'realize that the man is the stimulus in the relationship' is the fact that he spent time with women who are closer to nature. If Rion really 'got it' then it was not with NG alone.

I remember on realm he always used to say that men need to get out of the west and date women from different cultures (natural women) in order to really 'get it'.

unfortunately it's not practical for most people cause we have school, jobs,etc....
and we don't live on a passive income that we can just drop everything and take a long trip abroad.

Sure we can have short vacations but you can't really date a natural woman unless you have a lot of time to be in her country. If you live in a city that has a lot of immigrants from different cultures like London, Montreal or New York than maybe you can find natural women and you won't have to go abroad.

But again, I don't really beleive that dating a foreigner woman will fix your inner game issues And as I said before:

I think poor third world women went gaga over Rion because of his social status and not for his 'energy'.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:04 am 
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Spaceman, I'm on the same boat as you and hated myself most of my life because of it, the fact that everyone makes fun of people in our situation didn't help, even in social circles now I always hear some variation of this crap, the media reinforces this beyond ridiculous.

I agree wih freespirit, I think deep down you might be afraid of rejection too and using 'not wanting' as a scapegoat.

Truth is you can't struly stop wanting women, we're men, we're hard-wired to, you can't escape that.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:55 am 
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Spaceman and Alchemist, let me start by saying that I'm not making fun of you and I don't think that I more man than you guys because I had sex. But let me share something with you that might shed some light on the situation. Now this is only my experience and I don't say that it is necessarily your experience or how you guys view the situation.....

When I started out on natural grounding for a while I thought that I gave up wanting women.
Later it turned out it was a just a placebo. I was lying to myself because deep down I was still afraid of rejection (the thing that natural grounding didn't cure).

So after a while I realized that I was running away to natural grounding in order to run away from my fear of rejection.

Then I thought: maybe if I do it more of it I'll lose the fear if rejection and women will responde to me like 'Palmy', Of course it didn't happen....

After a while I took action and got some success but it was not so much because of NG it was more due to Yang grounding and the other stuff I did (like Sedona method) that made me feel more comfortable in my own skin. But I still could not get enough consistency and had a dry spell. That's when I realized that I still have more to learn and improve....

Rion or Etienne never gave up wanting women (and they are still chasing women).
As far as Marcus: as I said above I don't beleive he really gave up women however maybe he cares about it less now Because he already had a loads of success (and again: he didn't just do natural grounding, he used other stuff to get his success).

Women are not my main focus in life and that's why I don't go out all the time and play the numbers game (like PUAs and Paul Janka are doing) but unless I become a monk I don't think I will be able to give up wanting women.

sexy Women are everywhere, sex is everywhere in the media, people everywhere are talking about women and sex. So unless I go to live in a cave or a monastery I don't see how I (or anyone else) can give up wanting women or sex. It's in our nature (as Alchemist said).

Sure sometimes you feel more desire and sometimes less desire for women or sex, but it's always there in your subconscience and the sooner you realize it the better.

You probably heard some stories about Catholic priests who suppressed their desire for women and ended up in a scandal with children. I find that very sad.....

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:17 am 
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Alright I'm gonna put this in REAL simple terms and keep it as short as possible because this is all it boils down to.

Its all about letting women chase you. Let them show interest and you as a man just take advantage of that. Have something more important than women.

I'm not a pimp, I'm still a virgin but I need to focus more on my life and not women. If a girl wants to have sex me I will be all over that shit because I'm not gonna pretend I don't want women. The important thing is I'm open to it, but I'm not hunting it down like some ravenous wolf.

Girls shouldn't be work. Work isn't fun. If getting girls seems like work, don't even bother. Do something that you enjoy instead but keep your eyes open and allow them to come into your life instead of working for them.


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freespirit422 wrote:
Alright I'm gonna put this in REAL simple terms and keep it as short as possible because this is all it boils down to.

Its all about letting women chase you. Let them show interest and you as a man just take advantage of that. Have something more important than women.

I'm not a pimp, I'm still a virgin but I need to focus more on my life and not women. If a girl wants to have sex me I will be all over that shit because I'm not gonna pretend I don't want women. The important thing is I'm open to it, but I'm not hunting it down like some ravenous wolf.

Girls shouldn't be work. Work isn't fun. If getting girls seems like work, don't even bother. Do something that you enjoy instead but keep your eyes open and allow them to come into your life instead of working for them.
I couldnt have said it better myself. Keep the faith, friend...The Marquee Value Theory is on your side. 8-)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:46 am 
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freespirit422 wrote:
Alright I'm gonna put this in REAL simple terms and keep it as short as possible because this is all it boils down to.

Its all about letting women chase you. Let them show interest and you as a man just take advantage of that. Have something more important than women.

I'm not a pimp, I'm still a virgin but I need to focus more on my life and not women. If a girl wants to have sex me I will be all over that shit because I'm not gonna pretend I don't want women. The important thing is I'm open to it, but I'm not hunting it down like some ravenous wolf.

Girls shouldn't be work. Work isn't fun. If getting girls seems like work, don't even bother. Do something that you enjoy instead but keep your eyes open and allow them to come into your life instead of working for them.
It's only a small amount of time before you're getting laid like a rockstar with that mindset internalized. That was when everything changed for me.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:54 pm 
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Whats funny though is the more I internalize this mindset, the more I realize getting laid like a rock star isn't my main goal lol. It would be nice I guess, but it seems like more of a hassle juggling all the women.

My theory anyway is quality not quantity. If I find a great girl that I have more passion for, more of a connection, then that is worth more than fucking a whole bunch of girls.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:13 pm 
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I know guys who went and started families, but all of them
really had a fair amount of previous relationships with other
women, to choose from. They ended up forming a family from
a point where they had many many options/women anyway,
not just any one special at that point yet.

You don´t have to be in a hurry, you´re young. Wait until you
tap into your full potential.

(if that is what you meant(?))

Now if you do have a LifePurpose, see how empowered that will
make you feel, you enjoy your Masculinity 100% because it is
the essence of the AlphaMan, and the State, being aligned
with the more powerful you.

.........................................

For those who don´t have that Purpose yet, it is also that the
finding out the Purpose can be a Purpose as well. You will
discover it at some point if you choose to empower yourself that
way.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:47 pm 
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Yeah Jared, I'll elaborate on what I meant. I want deep intimate connection with a girl and if I don't get that when I look at a girl I won't even bother. I don't believe in "the one". I don't believe in love at first sight because most guys haven't been around enough women to truly realize what it is they want in a woman. A result of that is they tend to confuse love and neediness.

I would like a girlfriend but I have no idea how long I would actually be with her. I definitely wouldn't commit to this one girl and never see another girl again. Relationships come and go, I've seen it happen. High school sweethearts that say they are gonna get married and then they decide to breakup. As you said, I think its VERY important to have choice so you don't have to settle.


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