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Author:  Sniper [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:  male pill

so I read in the paper that they are closer to inventing a male pill (that men can take and it will prevent getting a woman pregnant)

I think if it's going to happen it would be awesome.

unlike women, Men won't screw up and 'forget' to take the pill and there will be less children who are born to men who don't want to be fathers.

I wonder how long it will take if and until it happens...

@Kidd
you work in the medical niche, what do you think?
will it happen soon?

Author:  The Kidd!! [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:44 pm ]
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Nope 8-)

Author:  Sniper [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:50 pm ]
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The Kidd!! wrote:
Nope 8-)
I really had high hopes for this
:( :(

Author:  Alchemist [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:56 pm ]
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Such an invention would be in direct conflict with the agenda of our (dys)functional Westernised society.

That's what vasectomies are for anyways dude. ;)

Author:  peregrinus [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:01 pm ]
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It has been 'near' to release since I was a teenager, well ok, since before I was born.

It was first talked about in the 1950's around the time of the female pill. It crops up every few years then vanishes again for a few more years.

Not going to happen anytime soon, for a whole number of reasons.

There is a book on the subject:
Quote:
The Male Pill: A Biography of a Technology in the Making
Nelly Oudshoorn


Oudshoorn emphasizes that the introduction of contraceptives for men depends to a great extent on changing ideas about reproductive responsibility. Initial interest in the male pill, she shows, came from outside the scientific community: from the governments of China and India, which were interested in population control, and from Western feminists, who wanted the responsibilities and health risks associated with contraception shared more equally between the sexes. She documents how in the 1970s, the World Health Organization took the lead in investigating male contraceptives by coordinating an unprecedented, worldwide research network. She chronicles how the search for a male pill required significant reorganization of drug-testing standards and protocols and of the family-planning infrastructure—including founding special clinics for men, creating separate spaces for men within existing clinics, enrolling new professionals, and defining new categories of patients. The Male Pill is ultimately a story as much about the design of masculinities in the last decades of the twentieth century as it is about the development of safe and effective technologies.
review, from here: http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=s ... ushul.html
Quote:
The Male Pill: A Biography of a Technology in the Making. By Nelly Oudshoorn. Durham: Duke University Press, 2003. Pp. xi+306. $21.95.

Nelly Oudshoorn traces the history of efforts to develop a male counterpart to the Pill, the G. D. Searle corporation's synthetic progesterone antiovulent that was approved for general use by the Food and Drug Administration in 1960. She divides her story into two parts—"Overcoming Resistance: Constructing Alternative Sociotechnical Networks" and "Configuring the User: Articulating and Performing Masculinities"—and seeks an understanding of why there is no male equivalent of the hormonal contraceptive pill for women.

In the first half of the book Oudshoorn focuses on advocates of male contraceptive drugs, the efforts of international public-sector agencies to include males in the contraceptive agenda, research and development of male contraceptives outside of the drug industry, synthesis of hormonal contraceptive compounds, infrastructure for clinical testing, and the effect of risk on testing. The second part, which examines integration of male contraceptives into the culture of birth control, includes chapters on family-planning policies, infrastructures for clinical trials, journalistic accounts, and the role of pharmaceutical companies.

Oudshoorn begins by declaring that male reproductive bodies are making headlines "for the first time in history," due to the immense popularity of the erectile-dysfunction drug Viagra. Other timely, albeit far-less-newsworthy topics include research on the decline in male fertility due to pollution, testosterone therapy for aging men, and the thirty-year quest for a male hormonal contraceptive. Historians generally avoid absolutes. Certainly Viagra garnered headlines, but is Oudshoorn trying to say that overt discussion of erectile dysfunction has a connection to interest in developing a male contraceptive pill? If so, she must mean a spike in interest, since the male pill is by no means a novel concept. China's Chou En-lai promoted the male pill during the late 1960s. This led to research on gossypol, a polyphenol derived from the cottonseed plant, with a known contraceptive effect in males. After China opened up in 1979, Western scientists learned that fourteen thousand males were participating in a clinical trial of gossypol. Gossypol's 99.89-percent effectiveness prompted Upjohn to begin animal tests. The Chinese experiments ended abruptly in 1980, when it was revealed that gossypol had toxic side effects including diarrhea, circulatory problems, heart failure, and permanent sterility. Interestingly, this did not prevent the World Health Organization (WHO) from collaborating with China on both gossypol and vasectomies. The former was terminated in 1990 when researchers decided against clinical testing of synthesized gossypol analogs.

Oudshoorn argues that the WHO, despite its failure in China, did manage to support development of long-acting androgen injections during the early 1980s. This research took place outside of channels normally controlled by pharmaceutical companies. As a result, the WHO was unable to attract the backing of companies necessary to undertake large-scale clinical testing of the new contraceptive.

Clinical testing of steroids for male contraception actually dates to the late 1950s when testosterone and progesterone preparations were administered to twenty prisoners at the Oregon State Penitentiary. Though not specifically designed to test contraceptive effect, data from the experiment prompted researchers to note that all subjects lost their sexual desire as well as their ability to have an erection and to produce semen. Libido and potency concerns dogged continued clinical testing throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Testing scaled up to large groups during the 1990s and gravitated toward the use of combined hormonal compounds as a way to resolve the problem of interference with sexual function. Perhaps the most significant understanding that emerged from these tests was that the goal of azoospermia (zero sperm count) was unattainable. Indeed, further tests of subjects with low sperm concentrations (oligospermia) demonstrated that hormonal contraceptives were statistically less reliable than condoms.

Another strike against the...

Author:  Altair [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:08 pm ]
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Alchemist wrote:
That's what vasectomies are for anyways dude. ;)
That's what condoms are for. :lol:

I wouldn't ever want to let anyone near me.

Author:  Sniper [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:23 pm ]
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thanks for the reply guys,

@Grinus
interesting I had no idea...

@Alchemist
vasectomies means that you might not be able to have your own kids if you decide you want to in the future. Yes I know you can freeze the sperm but some say it might hurt it's quality-
some say that and some say that it doesn't get hurt.

I don't know who is right yet

@Morph
yea condoms are the best solution but it decreases the pleasure (so they say...)
I don't know cause I have always used them and I still do;

I don't want any 'mistakes' + child support payments on my ass :lol:

Author:  Aragorn [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:23 pm ]
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If I remember correctly, they're doing/planning to start doing the procedure in India. So if anybody wants to take a trip, see some call-centers...

I think the effect lasts 10 years, and the stuff they put in your dick can be dissolved with a simple injection if the guy chooses. Could be wrong though.

Author:  Sniper [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:40 pm ]
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here is a good video I just remembered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EHfZP93kU0&feature=plcp

Author:  Altair [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:02 pm ]
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Sniper wrote:
@Morph
yea condoms are the best solution but it decreases the pleasure (so they say...)
I don't know cause I have always used them and I still do;

I don't want any 'mistakes' + child support payments on my ass :lol:
It does. But that's not a tree you wanna bark up :lol:

Fuck no child support payments especially if your a single guy. They will take you to the cleaners.

That also includes the fact that I don't trust any women with my protection. I've heard way to many stories of women poking holes in them to get pregnant. Not cool :|

Author:  The Kidd!! [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:16 pm ]
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Morpheus wrote:
Sniper wrote:
@Morph
yea condoms are the best solution but it decreases the pleasure (so they say...)
I don't know cause I have always used them and I still do;

I don't want any 'mistakes' + child support payments on my ass :lol:
It does. But that's not a tree you wanna bark up :lol:

Fuck no child support payments especially if your a single guy. They will take you to the cleaners.

That also includes the fact that I don't trust any women with my protection. I've heard way to many stories of women poking holes in them to get pregnant. Not cool :|
Just never get lax about it...learn from my situation (and possible situation in the making)...I ordered like 200 Crown condoms and I use them religiously! :ugeek:

Author:  Alchemist [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:55 pm ]
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Sniper wrote:
vasectomies means that you might not be able to have your own kids if you decide you want to in the future.
I'm not completely dismissing the possibility of having children in the future, it's just that I have a fundamental fear of becoming the slave and cuckold to some morbidly obese do-nothing parasite.

If I do end up having kids, I'd expect the mother to contribute in equal proportions to me (financially, and all other elements), we'd never marry (so no expensive ring and ceremony) and living together would be unlikely cuz I LOVE my own space.

Something tells me running into someone who would accept these terms is far from likely, and I'm cool with that. 8-)

Author:  Sniper [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:07 pm ]
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Alchemist wrote:
If I do end up having kids, I'd expect the mother to contribute in equal proportions to me (financially, and all other elements), we'd never marry (so no expensive ring and ceremony) and living together would be unlikely cuz I LOVE my own space.
sounds great, not easy to find a girl who would want this but then again: what you want is what matters...

Author:  Alchemist [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:48 pm ]
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She'll find me, I won't be lookin.

I'm content with my present situation anyway. :mrgreen:

Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:44 am ]
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I won't even get started on this.

Author:  The Kidd!! [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:07 am ]
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Alchemist wrote:
She'll find me, I won't be lookin.

I'm content with my present situation anyway. :mrgreen:
Correct answer 8-)

Author:  StephenP [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:41 am ]
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Sniper wrote:

sounds great, not easy to find a girl who would want this but then again: what you want is what matters...
Projecting a little...?

Author:  The Kidd!! [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:57 am ]
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StephenP wrote:
Sniper wrote:

sounds great, not easy to find a girl who would want this but then again: what you want is what matters...
Projecting a little...?
That's no projection...more like a Fruedian slip. :geek:

Author:  Altair [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:06 am ]
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The Kidd!! wrote:
StephenP wrote:
Sniper wrote:

sounds great, not easy to find a girl who would want this but then again: what you want is what matters...
Projecting a little...?
That's no projection...more like a Fruedian slip. :geek:
A freudian slip is where you unconsciously reveal how you feel right?

What's the functional difference between a projection and a freudian slip they both fit this situation.

Author:  Sniper [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:40 am ]
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The Kidd!! wrote:
StephenP wrote:
Sniper wrote:

sounds great, not easy to find a girl who would want this but then again: what you want is what matters...
Projecting a little...?
That's no projection...more like a Fruedian slip. :geek:
I don't know what this means but if it's about my beliefs then I'm just realistic -
most girls (in my country at least) won't agree to this.

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