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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:56 pm 
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I never got the self love thing talked about here, until I realised it just meant self acceptance.


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Fufe, it is definitely space invasion not extraversion. Stop complicating shit, and actually watch what he is doing not saying. There is a video on YouTube if you have nothing better to do, its plain as day what's happening.


Fufe, I watched Zan's first and second seminar (all of it)

it's space invasion for sure...

he even suggests to touch women you don't know on the back in a bar when you talk to them (he even does a demonstration).

Today you can get sued for that shit

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:46 pm 
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Well, I lightly touch women when I talk to them, but I first introduce myself to them so we know each other names. And the handshake is the first phisical contact, so it's cool. But I am also a touchy feely person, and it's natural for me. But I could not teach this to anyone, even if I tried. I don't know how. Be a better conversationalist, perhaps ? Speak with your body, perhaps ? Be animated and talk with your hands ?

But this is the guy that said to read magazines so u can have something to talk about with women. This is some bullshit. How about having a life, how about having a passion, and traveling, how about your goals, your day to day activities, how about your childhood, your hobbies, your fuck ups, how about the things that are right there ? But the best part is...... when a chick likes you, she would do ALL of the talking !

read magasines he sais....


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:00 pm 
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But this is the guy that said to read magazines so u can have something to talk about with women.


maybe we should also watch soap operas?

it's so interesting

:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:22 am 
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Sniper wrote:
DMD wrote:
But this is the guy that said to read magazines so u can have something to talk about with women.


maybe we should also watch soap operas?

it's so interesting

:lol: :lol:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKnCmKdOl8 :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:36 pm 
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Sniper, I've never heard nor seen Zan ever say anything abiout having interests outside of women. I must have missed that somewhere.

Fufe there's a difference between extroversion and space-invasion, what Zan teaches is straight up harrassment and will cause embarrassment for both parties.

The only time that flattery shit works is with women who are past their expiry date and appreciate any sort of male attention, even then it's hit-and-miss. People do not respond positively to unwanted sexual advances, applying his mindset would be ill-advised.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:59 pm 
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I agree with you. What I still don't see, is what is genuine healthy extraversion and what isn't anymore.
I'm not like Zan (Thank god) at all, but I still have problems drawing the line.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:29 pm 
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Healthy extraversion is basically cold/warm approaching and cherry picking accordingly without unwanted infringement upon the other person's personal space. :geek:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:50 pm 
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Sniper, I've never heard nor seen Zan ever say anything abiout having interests outside of women. I must have missed that somewhere.


He talked about it but in a vague way (not like Kidd who explained it very well... :geek: )

It's also easy to miss it because: on one hand he says that people should have 'an adventure' in life which doesn't revolve around women but at the same time he says stuff like:
'I'm a slave to my love for women'.

I think it contradicts itself in a way...

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The only time that flattery shit works is with women who are past their expiry date and appreciate any sort of male attention


True...

Don't forget that Zan is old. He was probably dating mostly in the 80's and maybe early 90's, it was before the internet and mobile phones era when women had less options to meet men. So back then maybe if you played the numbers game with the flattery shit
you might get some action once in a while. Well some people that is....

A guy with 0 front and clout playing the flattery shit back then- I don't think would get results with desirable women.

But Zan was a male model, used to play sports and I assume he always had a way with words...
maybe that's enough front and clout for the 80's even if he used the flattery shit :lol:

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I just remembered what people used to watch in the 80's\early 90's
it was a more innocent time and there was less hoe\diva behavior from women in general...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWz9MjjDqLI

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:43 am 
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Pretty sure that diva behavior has been around since the dawn of time dude. :lol:

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The part you see as a contradiction would work in the right conditions.
It just falls within the symp percentage of the equation.

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Alchemist wrote:
Pretty sure that diva behavior has been around since the dawn of time dude. :lol:


of course

but it was less when women had less options and society was less feminist

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Cleopatra?

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Cleopatra?


of course, but Cleopatra or Guinevere or that woman from the movie Troy (don't remember her name) were not the majority of women....

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Women have had power over men since forever, now it's more apparent in the form of feminism.

Where do you think marriage came from? men put pussy on such a high pedestal that they felt the need to control it.

It's clever when you think about it and similar to how some children control their parents.

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