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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:00 pm 
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Found this on twitter

Some select gems

Strong
Successful
In control
Stand up for themselves
Don't back down
Take care of people

...so toxic :lol:

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Whoever wrote that is definitely in the right department. Now, he/she needs to check-in as a patient and stop trying to be the doctor.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 am 
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The footnote, right at the end:

The Girl Hunt: Urban Nightlife and the Performance of Masculinity as Collective Activity
David Grazian
https://works.bepress.com/david_grazian/7/

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peregrinus wrote: *
The footnote, right at the end:

The Girl Hunt: Urban Nightlife and the Performance of Masculinity as Collective Activity
David Grazian
https://works.bepress.com/david_grazian/7/
He looks like a good role model :lol:

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お前はもう死んでいる。

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I agree with Ryan Hoover on this issue, including his interaction with a Kimberly Erwin.

https://www.facebook.com/RyanHooverFTF/ ... 2633062532

peregrinus wrote: *
The Girl Hunt: Urban Nightlife and the Performance of Masculinity as Collective Activity
David Grazian
"young men sexually objectify women", "sexual objectification of women" - Quoted from the second page

Hmm... viewtopic.php?f=7&t=199&p=1173#p1173


He also seems biased against bars and nightclubs as ways of meeting a partner.
In fact it is the only traditional way of meeting that has not been in decline during the Internet era.
His dear "in college or in the workplace" are being displaced by the Internet.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... 2412448050

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 11:32 pm 
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Lets take a different slant..

Instead of trying to find things wrong with what he wrote, what did he write that resonates deeply with you?

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Well, he's not wrong on the competitive nature part. There are other parts too about that fact that you have to be "fiercely independent" that on some level are tempting to believe. Other parts like there is no biological basis for masculinity are questionable.

I mean aside from the obvious ideological slant, it's got a lot of appeals to negate the burden of responsibility. It doesn't matter how I want things to be though, it matters how they are. It reminds me a lot of the scene in the Matrix where Cypher is enjoying his steak.

I often wonder how people like him are created. I suspect events in his life lead him to the path he is on, but it's curious why more people don't become like us. Aside from the obvious it appears to be the harder path.

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Altair wrote: *
I mean aside from the obvious ideological slant, it's got a lot of appeals to negate the burden of responsibility. It doesn't matter how I want things to be though, it matters how they are. It reminds me a lot of the scene in the Matrix where Cypher is enjoying his steak.

I often wonder how people like him are created. I suspect events in his life lead him to the path he is on, but it's curious why more people don't become like us. Aside from the obvious it appears to be the harder path.
https://youtu.be/VdxAx3kYdWs

Not all of us are fortunate enough to come across mentors, or information to guide us to the better way, we don’t know what we don’t know.

The video I linked to should answer your question or at the very least spark deeper thought and inquisition

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peregrinus wrote: *
Instead of trying to find things wrong with what he wrote, what did he write that resonates deeply with you?
peregrinus wrote: *
With both, take what you find useful to YOU, discard the rest.
Lesson learned back then


"However, in the long run it is eventually likely to deflate the confidence of those who inevitably continue to fall short of such exaggerated expectations and who consequently experience the shame of a spoiled masculine identity."

"Instead of being too concerned with not screwing up and seeming “weird or desperate,” Darryl now felt like he was in control."

"This is where the night gets really interesting... ...as if their own masculinity is validated by his success."

"...turning a heterosexual public encounter with a stranger into an immediately consummated sexual episode is a statistical rarity, especially when compared with the overwhelming degree of time, money, effort, and emotion that young men invest in such an enterprise."

"Competitive sex talk among adolescent peers in the hours leading up to the girl hunt create an unrealistic set of sexual expectations for impressionable young men, particularly those who already suffer from anxiety over their body image and sexual development."

"Meanwhile, as men grow older and gain additional markers of status (i.e., occupational prestige), they may no longer require the pregaming rituals of confidence building once considered necessary preparation for the girl hunt."

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zogler wrote: *

"young men sexually objectify women", "sexual objectification of women" - Quoted from the second page

Hmm... viewtopic.php?f=7&t=199&p=1173#p1173

This is his abstract / summary.

Drawing conclusions from the cited research is literally the whole point of the paper.

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Altair wrote: *
Well, he's not wrong on the competitive nature part. There are other parts too about that fact that you have to be "fiercely independent" that on some level are tempting to believe. Other parts like there is no biological basis for masculinity are questionable.

I mean aside from the obvious ideological slant, it's got a lot of appeals to negate the burden of responsibility. It doesn't matter how I want things to be though, it matters how they are. It reminds me a lot of the scene in the Matrix where Cypher is enjoying his steak.

I often wonder how people like him are created. I suspect events in his life lead him to the path he is on
Let's pretend that I can read his mind and know his history: a mix of different things like envy even a political agenda.
He in someway is trying to punish those male losers who women crave by being now in a position of power so he can be heard. The so called "beta revolution?" maybe I do not know.

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