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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:47 pm 
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The Kidd replied on one of his posts:
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That's why we are all here...'cause we can handle the truth...and the truth is that ultimately, NG is HOOEY.

It may make it seem easier to talk to women, but really all you're doing is submitting yourself to them like they are goddesses...like they don't get enough attention and ego boosts as it is. Then, should you luck up and actually get laid out of the deal, it was out of her sympathy for you, not because she thought you were a fucking hot stud muffin!

NG puts you in the WRONG frame of mind to deal with today's modern women, period.
Now I'm not writing this to flame NG or to say it's Hooey. It may have some value for some people but I want to share my story (note that I say my story...):

When I started doing NG Rion said: 'you should submit yourself to these sweet Asian girls cause that's the power of nature...'.

well when I started doing NG I did submit myself to them and I was able to see more of the natural character of women. However, I remember that I went out with three different girls:
each one of them I saw their natural character and was able to bring it out of them.

But these three girls didn't want me after the first or second date and ended up 'giving some'
to bad boys.

I was like: what's going on here?
I'm able to bring out their natural character and they give sex to men who have no idea about natural character :cry:

After that I got angry but then I came up with Yang grounding, started to use it and got results. I still didn't have enough results or the results that I wanted but it was a start.....

Now that I'm here I'm getting the results I really want ;)

But anyway, I think what happened was that these girls that I have dated felt sympathy for me (because I saw their natural character) but they didn't see me as a 'fucking hot stud muffin'.

So it's cool to do NG if you like it but I don't think that submitting yourself to these Asian women (as Rion said) is such a good idea....

just watch the videos (if you want) and let whatever happen - happen. No need to try to submit yourself, cry, whatever.....

BTW
tonight I will have sex with my ex again, she thinks I'm a hot stud muffin and I never submit to her. I make her feel good and happy but I don't submit my energy to her....

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:10 am 
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Yes, I would like the BadBoy defined too.

Maybe I´m a BadBoy, who knows, I´ve never really
thought about it... :!:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:47 am 
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Hey Sir_Michael and Jared,

I just got back home (I was at her house :) ) and I can't sleep so why not answer your question which is a good question......
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Hey, Sniper. I'm curious. What was it about these guys that made them bad boys? What did they do or say that you give them that designation?
the first two girls:
One of them I met her boyfriend (by accident) while I was at a friend's party (a friend from the university not a close friend...). I didn't know he dated that girl (and I didn't know him) but I remember we were having a drink and then we started talking about women. He was telling stories on how his girlfriend is a jealous bitch and that she caught him cheating but still with him. Then he said: 'Oh that Keren, she is good in bed but I like to be with many women'. He was drunk :lol:

I thought: what are the odds that it's the girl I dated but when I asked him: it was her.
small world....

second girl: I met her friend at the university (the one who arranged the date....), we were talking and I asked her: so, how is Ruth doing?
her friend said she dated this guy who had sex with her and then dumped her.

third girl: my brother knows someone who knows her well. That guy told my brother that she dated a guy who was a jerk for a month. after a few days I saw that girl at the uni. and while we were having coffee she opened her heart to me and told me that she 'gave some' to a guy that she dated after the first date and 'what the heck was she thinking, bla bla bla.....'
She said they are no longer together because he was not serious and a terrible person as far as personality.
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I'm not being facetious when I say this. He really did mean that to bring out the natural character of a woman IS to seduce a woman. Seduction according to Rion's definition doesn't have anything to do with having sex with a woman. Revolutionary indeed, but not what most men are looking for.
not true... Rion said that if you bring out the natural character of women, 'sex just happens' because it's how nature works. He said that on realm a few times and on 'natural game seminar'.
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It's the same sort of thing Zan is saying when he tells that story of the girl who approaches him in a club and says hey you're Zan you seduced my friend but you're not going to seduce me. He puts his arm around her and pulls her in close and says "did you come over here just to talk to me?" She smiles and says, "yes." He says: "Then I've already seduced you," and he walks away from her never to talk to her again.
I remember that story, don't worry about Zan he does not sleep alone And while that story is nice he still gets to sleep with girls....
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Yes, I would like the BadBoy defined too.

Maybe I´m a BadBoy, who knows, I´ve never really
thought about it...
Jari the shaman, you are good in my Book even if girls say otherwise :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:22 am 
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...and girls do say a lot of things about me.

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Very nice post, Sir_Michael. 8-)

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Sir_Michael wrote:
You haven't seduced a woman unless you have had sex with her.
Pretty much. :|

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Really nice post Sir_Michael.

Very well put.

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Sir_Michael wrote:
No. It IS true. What I'm saying is absolutely correct. He most famously said this in his interview with David DeAngelo and it's EXACTLY what he meant. I'm bringing it up only because this is probably why nobody gets those other results that Rion promised.

"Seduction is: bringing out the natural character of women." [the emphasis is Rion's; this is a verbatim quote from his interview with DeAngelo]


That's what he is professing to teach his customers - how to bring out the natural character of women. The results speak for themselves. Nobody gets laid.

very nice post Sir Michael

Some people say that: 'you should do NG not in order to get women' :|

I find that very ridiculous as I read about it on realm :P I mean why else would anyone do NG if not to get better with women?

You are not going to reach enlightenment or get rich from doing NG so what else is there?

Some people just want one girl and that's cool, but you must have power in order to keep a relationship going in win win- I doubt NG is going to help with that. Even if you see the natural character of women you still need an edge and power - The Kidd's stuff :)

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Sniper wrote:




Some people say that: 'you should do NG not in order to get women' :|

There is a mental shift that happened with me, emphasis in the
word >getting>. It has been replaced with >experiencing with women>.

This getting is coming from a win-lose relationship. The other
is a win-win relationship. Women are sharp in reading intentions.

And like I said before, sex doesn´t come from women, it takes two.

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Success with women= Understanding your biological and spiritual
role and right as a man.

Anything that helps you to realize this is positive power for you and her.

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Jared wrote:
Success with women= Understanding your biological and spiritual
role and right as a man.

Anything that helps you to realize this is positive power for you and her.
yes Jari I agree I just don't think NG is enough for that...
if it was: we would see loads of success stories on realm.

Even Marcus's success stories: no one knows if he didn't exaggerate (no one has really seen if he really got that success he braged about) and as we mentioned before: he used other stuff as well- not just NG....

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They exercise the Universal Laws, that could be why
NG is working for me, and Rion & Marcus. When I came
to relm, I brought these Laws with me.

It is an absolute Law of your being that you work
from higher to lower potential, that is;

1) Spiritual (=Thoughts)
2) Intellectual (=Ideas)
3) Physical (=Things)

If someone does your thinking for you (the Matrix) then that
source has power over your results in Life. You can still
choose your daily resources that are win-win that produce
the results that you do have control about. You make that
choice every time you face it. There are invisible choices
that you can become aware of. The choices are sometimes
hidden.

Building awareness to these choices is important.
(We are goal oriented units, we make more choices because
of our habits, and the habits we have represents our level
of awareness.)

RelationalMastery is about choosing everything you want
in order to produce the LifeStyle that you want. Everything you
choose to do or not to do is exercising RelationalMastery.

Basically it comes down to a choice of Power vs Powerlessness


Add; The most empowering thing you can do is to discover/live your Purpose.
It is the one thing that empowers your Masculinity.

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Jared wrote:
They exercise the Universal Laws, that could be why
NG is working for me, and Rion & Marcus.
Jari the shaman, you are not reading what we write so I'll make it easier:

It didn't fucking work for Rion. Marcus used other things, not just NG

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How do you know? :P

There are always Universal Principles behind everything.
They are Laws.

"Energy follows thought"
Primary rule of the Universe.

The main thing is to build the State, and NG effectively
does that. But you bring your Polarity (=mainly your Purpose).

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Jared wrote:
How do you know? :P

There are always Universal Principles behind every action
that we do. They are Laws.

"Energy follows thought"

The main thing is to build the State, and NG effectively
does that. But you bring your Polarity (=mainly your Purpose).
we already wrote 'how we know' (and provided some proof) on other threads so I won't repeat myself again ;) but you can think it worked for them if that's what you wish :ugeek:

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Everything is tied back to where it matters, STATE of BEING.

The outer world will only arrange itself around it. Few Laws
will take care of everything, and then you just plant the seed
and watch it grow.

"As within so without."

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Nature of Women, the Yin:

Women draw State from their immediate environment.
It is the Nature of Yin; living in the present moment.

A woman´s Nature isn´t just flirting w/ men, it is an aftereffect
of bringing out her Natural Character, that lives in the
Present Moment.

(This is propably what I saw in that video Shay posted on Relm,
about the naked woman Bar.R. or something... It is always there.)

When you have built history with the Present Moment in polarity
with Yin Energy, you can do it again more easily. But you really
have to bring your Polarity/ Purpose in it.

What is the Purpose of that moment? Freedom, enjoyment,
liberation.

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