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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:46 am 
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Hey guys,

I have been having some personal problems (but not with women ;) ) and I'm also working two jobs so I haven't had time to post for a while. But I'm still lurking.....

I had to stop by to tell a short story, not that it's anything new but just a conformation...

I know this girl from work, we were not dating we are just friends at work.

She was the typical 'nice, sweet girl',
she is 24, really mature, very family oriented, really wants to get married.... just like the 'sweet girl' you see in the movies...

So she told me she was dating some guy and it was getting serious. She met his parents, he met her parents,
she thought he was 'the one'.

Then she met another guy, they went out as 'friends' next thing I know she tells me that she slept with him and then dumped the guy she was dating at valentines day....
Now she is dating the new guy.

this is the kind of girl you would not believe would do such a thing (that is.....if you haven't been on this forum long enough).
I do admit I was still a little shocked even though I know what I know :|

Kidd once said: people are sexual selfish creatures
Star_Above once said: even the 'nicest' girl could turn on you
Grinus said: never believe any fantasy about 'nice girls'

Well, lucky I wasn't dating her so it didn't happen to me. Still.... I'm a little shocked. If you knew this girl you would think she would never ever......But then again: remember what Kidd, Star and Grinus always say so it wouldn't happen to you.

always watch out, even the 'nicest girl' could turn on you.

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Ok I understand that she might have thought the first guy was her X-factor and then she found someone else. It happens...
But she slept with the other guy while still in relationship with the first guy and then dumped (the first guy) on valentine's day.

well as Star_above would say:


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This resonates with an experience I witnessed last year. A friend of mine had a girlfriend, she was lovely very kind, friendly, even wise and all that turned out she was cheating on him with some other guy.

One of the best lessons I got from this forum was on the immaturity of women and that women aren't what you see on TV (or porn for that matter)

But I'm not going to derail your thread, I thank you also because I'm going to bear these things in mind from now on
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Kidd once said: people are sexual selfish creatures
Star_Above once said: even the 'nicest' girl could turn on you
Grinus said: never believe any fantasy about 'nice girls'

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:15 am 
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Star_Above wrote:
Same with a chick...don't ever judge a girl based on an outward sweet exterior, only by actions.

Some of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever delt with were very nice, sweet and innocent in their demeanor, and absolute sociopaths in their actions
I must note that although Kidd and Star and Grinus told me this it took me time to 'get it'.

Just for the sake of the analogy :

You could see a girl that appears super sweet on the outside like Palmy but she could be a total sociopath in her actions.

Always judge by actions....don't make the mistake I used to do of looking mostly at demeanor :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:37 am 
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I'm not sure where our opinions differ Star Above?

Or what I said that would be pissed anyone off? We said the same thing?
He means the value theory goes both ways....and its normal but.....that doesnt mean one should be without morals (if the person you are dating also has morals...)
Right, but in that case it's more like them trying to get whatever car they can and then not respecting it. Monogomy is a social construct but it benefits them. So they use it. I don't usually have a problem with them leaving. I have a problem with them trying to exploit my emotions to ensure commitment.

If that bothers someone. I don't have any fucks to give.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:41 am 
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If that bothers someone. I don't have any fucks to give.
:lol: Chill dude. It sounded like in your other post you were pissed at chicks leaving for value in general, but if it was only her cuntiness that angered you then we're on the same page.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:08 am 
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Oh, I wasn't mad :lol:. My phone didn't add the emoticon. Funny how much that changes the perception of the text.

Their sense of entitlement is actually so annoying though. Like honestly the millisecond they feel they're on my radar. They start trying get in my head and figure out how to have me to themselves. They act like its something you owe them. I wish they'd just play hard to get or something.

You'd think they'd know better. Considering how often they complain about guys doing it. :roll: . Happened on Friday, but I got a few drinks out of it. So I actually came out ahead :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:00 am 
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Star_Above once said: even the 'nicest' girl could turn on you
Grinus said: never believe any fantasy about 'nice girls'
Very deeply ingrained concept, perhaps even moreso in some of the Women who believe it about themselves. Of course Men are suckers for this type; it goes along with this notion that Women are nurturing, sympathetic, yielding, soft, empathetic etc...well they are....but only to a certain Man. Women are also infact ruthless, driven, ambitious and opportunistic. I don't say that as a criticism at all, because infact I can respect that more than any pretence of 'good girl' qualities.

It's also a fault of Men who exhibit typically rigid thinking and decide to label and categorise these girls. I mean, is it not possible that another person can be a multitude and variance of characteristics, depending on what suits them in the moment or circumstance.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:29 am 
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Star_Above wrote:
Some of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever delt with were very nice, sweet and innocent in their demeanor, and absolute sociopaths in their actions. That girl isn't a cunt for leaving her man for the other, she's a cunt for cheating on him. A nice girl would have sat him down and said "Look, I've met someone else that I really like, BUT, this girl Heather I know is really hot and I think you's two would like each other, I'll introduce you's." and she wouldn't have fucked the guy till after that talk out of respect. Environmental factors is HUGE, and if there's someone with more value in a chicks hierarchy than the guy she's with and that guy wants her, she's gone...which is why dudes have to max their shit out. We'd be gone too if we were dating a chick but something better came along that wanted you.

And fuck it anyway, monogamy isn't natural, it's a social construct that goes against nature's laws, and anytime you go against natures laws you experience pain as a way of nature telling you to get the fuck back in line with how it's suppose to be.
Totally agree. Couple years back I was left for another guy. The thing that made it completely cool with me was that she dumped me before she got with him. She even said some time after that if she hadn't met him, she wouldn't have ended it with me. She didn't cheat, and she had my respect for that.

Now many guys would be all egotistical about this shit, and cry because they got dumped for another man. But thanks to this forum and my observations, I understood why she did it. And that's the issue guys have; they rarely understand WHY a Women does what she does, and therefore can't logically process her actions and be fine with it. Now, I was with this girl for only 6 or 7 months. Sex was on the money, she was more invested in it than I was, she was more emotionally invested than me, and was begging for me to move in with her and so on. So anyway, she met this dude who had WAY more money than me and was also a great artist to boot, so she saw an opportunity. I digested all of these factors and decided that I'm cool with that; I would probably have done the same and also I was very honest with myself and knew that his life position looked superior to mine at the time. I was broke, she was broke, he was rich.

That said, I was satisfied when after 3 months of her being in that relationship she told me she was still comparing their sex with ours, and that we had a superior connection in that way :)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:02 pm 
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Leo wrote:
It's also a fault of Men who exhibit typically rigid thinking and decide to label and categorise these girls. I mean, is it not possible that another person can be a multitude and variance of characteristics, depending on what suits them in the moment or circumstance.
Yea sure, we were just too brainwashed to see it....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:06 pm 
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Leo wrote:
Totally agree. Couple years back I was left for another guy. The thing that made it completely cool with me was that she dumped me before she got with him. She even said some time after that if she hadn't met him, she wouldn't have ended it with me. She didn't cheat, and she had my respect for that.

Now many guys would be all egotistical about this shit, and cry because they got dumped for another man. But thanks to this forum and my observations, I understood why she did it.
Good man! Ya you can't let it bother you, when it comes down to it it's all about value, but some chicks perception of value is a little fucky.

I remember watching an episode of the Jersey Shore where this hot Hungarian chick came to the house and wanted Mike instead of Pauly and everyone in the house was like WTF :lol: Pauly didn't give a fuck though because he and everyone else knew that Mike was a loser and Pauly's better than him, so it's really a simple case of there's nothing wrong with Pauly it's bitch you be fucked in the head.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:54 pm 
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Many of my old girlfriends are married and have 2,3 kids. 8-)
One decided to go all lesbo. :lol:
One doornail. (didn't reach her 30s)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:12 pm 
Picked this comment up from:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/12/30/mutiny/
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Here is the paradox:
The more naturally mean,self centered, and cruel you are as a man, the more naturally nicer and kinder your mate will be as with the girls you attract.
Yin/yang, Nature abhorring a vacuum…etc.
Be a pussy, attract a shrew.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:43 pm 
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Midas wrote:
Picked this comment up from:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/12/30/mutiny/
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Here is the paradox:
The more naturally mean,self centered, and cruel you are as a man, the more naturally nicer and kinder your mate will be as with the girls you attract.
Yin/yang, Nature abhorring a vacuum…etc.
Be a pussy, attract a shrew.
That makes perfect sense.

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Alchemist wrote:
Midas wrote:
Picked this comment up from:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/12/30/mutiny/
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Here is the paradox:
The more naturally mean,self centered, and cruel you are as a man, the more naturally nicer and kinder your mate will be as with the girls you attract.
Yin/yang, Nature abhorring a vacuum…etc.
Be a pussy, attract a shrew.
That makes perfect sense.
Unfortunately...

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So what if I am naturally kind and try to get along with people generally but can also be hard and cruel as fuck, then what ?
Is it really black and white like that ?


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So what if I am naturally kind and try to get along with people generally but can also be hard and cruel as fuck, then what ?
Is it really black and white like that ?
It has been repeated incessantly here:

Treat people accordingly

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Dali wrote:
Treat people accordingly
this, this and this....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:41 am 
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Guees this still remainds as the base reality, can't have enought, i wish me buying porn will equate the scales for the amount of shocks.


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Dali wrote:
fufe wrote:
So what if I am naturally kind and try to get along with people generally but can also be hard and cruel as fuck, then what ?
Is it really black and white like that ?
It has been repeated incessantly here:

Treat people accordingly
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"What other people are, that is exactly what you get."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:38 pm 
Dali wrote:
fufe wrote:
So what if I am naturally kind and try to get along with people generally but can also be hard and cruel as fuck, then what ?
Is it really black and white like that ?
It has been repeated incessantly here:

Treat people accordingly
Treat also animals accordingly, a poem by Chuang Tzu expresses this idea:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130129043 ... olden-rule
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Symphony for a seabird

You cannot put a big load in a small bag,
nor can you with a short rope,
draw water from a deep well.
Have you not heard how a bird
from the sea was blown inshore
and landed outside the capital of Lu?
The prince ordered a solemn reception,
offered wine to the seabird
in the Sacred precinct,
called for musicians to play
the compositions of Shun,
slaughtered cattle to nourish it.
Dazed with symphonies,
the unhappy seabird died of despair.
How should you treat a bird?
As yourself or as a bird?
Ought not a bird to nest in deep woodland
or fly over meadow and marsh?
Ought it not to swim on river and pond,
feed on eels and fish,
fly in formation with other waterfowl,
and rest in the reeds?
Bad enough for a seabird to be surrounded by men
and frightened by their voices!
That was not enough!
They killed it with music!
Water is for fish, and air for man.
Natures differ, and needs with them.
Hence the wise men of old
did not lay down
one measure for all.
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