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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:52 am 
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Imo, spending money on therapists is like spending money on chicks. Not much of a return. You are better off depending on yourself to solve your problems.

Honesty and self acceptance of what you are and what you want to be is the best way to move forward. (h/t Neale Walsch's Conversations with God, thanks Dali). Also, nothing wrong with using porn as an outlet for your sexual energy, if it helps you find mental space to work on your problems.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:57 am 
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So you guys suggest therapy? How can i find one that is not a feminist/Matrix brainswashed and will attempt to just focus on keeping me away from women/the community out of fear, rather than really help me get to the core issues?
If you feel you can't deal with your issues and cannot move forward, forget about the feminist Matrix and brainwashed shit. They're just need to be qualified to help you and assist you to fix your problem.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:59 am 
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All bullshit aside, I agree with ahk. :geek:

If I had let society at large convince me that I was indeed crazy and paranoid for trusting my gut, and checked myself into a shrink and ultimately reinserted back into the Matrix...well...let's just say my stories would be a whole lot less interesting. :lol:

Then again...I didn't have none of THAT going on in the background...well...nothing to THAT extent anyway. :?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:37 am 
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So you guys suggest therapy? How can i find one that is not a feminist/Matrix brainswashed and will attempt to just focus on keeping me away from women/the community out of fear, rather than really help me get to the core issues?
You cannot, simply put they rely on methods that are mainstream so they are unable to delve as deeply into problems as you can. Only you are able to pin point exactly what is going on, pretend your mind is a machine and needs repairs are you gonna just take to a random mechanic and be like here I trust you.

I can relate to you on having more issues going on than just what the surface levels on pimp tightness appears to offer. My family was broken up when I was pretty young (12), my father decided to exit in a most cowardly fashion at age 15 not that he was great to have around anyways, very little in the way of friends. Pretty much went it alone until 18 when I found the forum.

From the point it got really bad to when I got my head sorted out...it was like 9 years of being on the breaking point of what my mind could handle..literally maxed. I'm kinda glossing over the details, bc they're not important. But doing it that way instead of wanting to hear soothing words from a psych made me mentally stronger than I would otherwise ever have a chance to be.

I'm trying to give you a picture of your options.

You can go to a shrink and they will make your problem liveable, but you will always have excuses.

You can face your demons.

If you decide to go the second route and there is more to the picture than you've said, and my gut tells me there is. I would exercise caution, I can remember 3 times in the past before I got my shit together where my mind literally snapped. And this sounds fucked up to say but I didn't care if I lived or died complete apathy. The mental stress was huge.

Not a lot of people are prepared or able to do that kind of thing, which is why the vast majority of people that come from bad backgrounds are broken. They don't have it to face it and they cannot live peacefully with it.

Don't let anyone else decide for you, you really want the red pill?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:14 am 
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Part of one of the courses I went on was a short course with a shrink.

It was meant to clear our chaff out, as part of 'preparing us' to mentor others, manage them and handle their problems. To show us how shrinks work.

Needless to say, it did not go as planned. I ended up pointing out all the things the shrink was doing wrong and how she was going against her training and the principles of being a shrink, together with how much of what she was saying was complete bullshit. Her analysis of situations I was describing was so far off the mark I could not help but comment.

Rather than myself being re-inserted, she ended up extracting herself over the course of those meetings. The relationship ended up reversing and being the 180' from where it was meant to be.

I suggest if you are considering that option, you read up on shrinks and their training, then consider if their approach will aid you in your goal, or work against it.. The few I have met probably need the help more than their clients do.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:48 am 
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Or you can try some EFT or Faster EFT therapy...
Flow can attest for it, you can join balls project also, and contact GP about a session if you want
Problem is that some of these EFT practicioners still have some matrixy indoctrination, so somebody like GP would be best, if you feel you need help from somebody


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:12 pm 
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ahk wrote:
Honesty and self acceptance of what you are and what you want to be is the best way to move forward.
Will always come to that -- total self acceptance of everything that is there, as it is, and dropping of the constant internal battle of fighting ourselves.

Whatever is going on underneath the surface can come to light that way, be integrated and be healed.

You are the only one who can actually do it -- techniques and assistance from others w/ experience, especially if the stuff is heavy can be valuable to help you focus or move deeper, to be able to see where you are hiding and probe you to go there, or correct where you are actually just beating your head against a wall thinking you are doing inner work. Not magic. Think more like good personal trainer at the gym pushing you and correcting form vs. expecting to pay someone to lift weights for you, or pay them to talk about the theory of muscle development and spend 6 months discussing your feelings about your triceps.

The most important thing IMHO is to make the commitment, and to explore. If you feel the need for assistance look for someone who takes the role of guiding YOU to move deeper into your own stuff and accept it. Don't just throw money to someone so they will "fix you" or just talk and mentally analyze your 'problems.' Never abdicate your authority. It doesn't matter if one thing worked well for someone else, or if someone says something is BS. It doesn't matter if your friends will think it is stupid or if guys on a forum think it is stupid, or if they think it is the best thing in the world. Do what needs to be done, don't let fear or ego totally dictate the direction as either can go for extreme paths.

Your own intuition will tell you if something or someone is worth exploring. Don't *start* with the assumption that you need some external thing. Be present with yourself and let things unfold. In retrospect it seems for me I started with the commitment to do work like this, and whatever was needed whether that took the form of an insight or a book or a mentor arrived at the right time.

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fufe wrote:
Or you can try some EFT or Faster EFT therapy...
Flow can attest for it, you can join balls project also, and contact GP about a session if you want
Problem is that some of these EFT practicioners still have some matrixy indoctrination, so somebody like GP would be best, if you feel you need help from somebody
YOU'RE NOT HELPING. :|

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caliboy85 wrote:
Here's something useful about my past that maybe you guys can help me with

These incidents may sound bizarre and its my first time sharing all of them.I hope it will get me closer to figuring out my attachment to sex.

1.When i was about 14 years old, I use to wait till my Aunt went to sleep(she was sharing rooms and living with my parents at the time) and curl up behind her while she was asleep and ejecalute.It only took me a few seconds and i felt relieved.Eventually,she caught me doing this and switched rooms.I would wait till she fell asleep and sneak in her room.Sometimes i would hide under her bed until she came into the room and wait for her to turn the lights off and fall asleep,and i would do the same thing.I did get caught a few times but most of the time i got away with it.Any oppurtunity i got even when she was laying on the sofa, i would curl up behind when she's not paying attention and bust a nut with my clothers on.These days everytime i see a big butt i have that craving.

2.When i was in High school around the same age one day after school when i was waiting to be picked up from my parents there was this girl also waiting for her ride.She was kind of thick.I went up to her and asked her if she minds if i feel up on her ass(I had no fear of her saying no can't explain it) and she said ok i don't care.So i hugged her from behind and pressed my crotch behind her ass.Eventually,i pulled my dick out and she said what are you doing and i said nothing.She didn't resist or seem to mind but i continued to press up against her anyways.I enjoyed the sensation very much.


3.When i was very young, i use to get annoyed by my father's voice.There was a certain sound he made that was very irritating and annoying.Sometime i would even tell him to be quiet.Eventually,i felt like cumming and i did.I don't know how it happened.I didn't even jack off.To this day i have no explanation for this.
Who.fucking.cares.man.We.all.did.stupid.shit.as.kids.because.we.didn't.know.any.better.Own.your.fucking.weirdness.because.we're.all.weird.in.our.own.right.laugh.about.it.LET.it.GO....you.got.some.work.to.do.son!


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StephenP wrote:
caliboy85 wrote:
Here's something useful about my past that maybe you guys can help me with

These incidents may sound bizarre and its my first time sharing all of them.I hope it will get me closer to figuring out my attachment to sex.

1.When i was about 14 years old, I use to wait till my Aunt went to sleep(she was sharing rooms and living with my parents at the time) and curl up behind her while she was asleep and ejecalute.It only took me a few seconds and i felt relieved.Eventually,she caught me doing this and switched rooms.I would wait till she fell asleep and sneak in her room.Sometimes i would hide under her bed until she came into the room and wait for her to turn the lights off and fall asleep,and i would do the same thing.I did get caught a few times but most of the time i got away with it.Any oppurtunity i got even when she was laying on the sofa, i would curl up behind when she's not paying attention and bust a nut with my clothers on.These days everytime i see a big butt i have that craving.

2.When i was in High school around the same age one day after school when i was waiting to be picked up from my parents there was this girl also waiting for her ride.She was kind of thick.I went up to her and asked her if she minds if i feel up on her ass(I had no fear of her saying no can't explain it) and she said ok i don't care.So i hugged her from behind and pressed my crotch behind her ass.Eventually,i pulled my dick out and she said what are you doing and i said nothing.She didn't resist or seem to mind but i continued to press up against her anyways.I enjoyed the sensation very much.


3.When i was very young, i use to get annoyed by my father's voice.There was a certain sound he made that was very irritating and annoying.Sometime i would even tell him to be quiet.Eventually,i felt like cumming and i did.I don't know how it happened.I didn't even jack off.To this day i have no explanation for this.
Who.fucking.cares.man.We.all.did.stupid.shit.as.kids.because.we.didn't.know.any.better.Own.your.fucking.weirdness.because.we're.all.weird.in.our.own.right.laugh.about.it.LET.it.GO....you.got.some.work.to.do.son!
P.E.R.I.O.D. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:58 pm 
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I have never been sexually abused or assaulted which is why i have always wondered if its nature or nurture that caused me to do to things.According to Freud those things that i did as a kid are completely normal and the guilt and shame associated with them are what cause mental suffering.He says we live in a sexually repressive society.With that being said when i see a 16 year old or a milf with a big booty i get strong sexual urges which i am aware of but i don't do anything because of the social consequences. Psychodynamists would say that is caused by a wounded inner child in childhood due to overprotective or controlling parents.The solution according to them is doing inner child exercises to connect with yourself.They also believe that in relationships self love doesn't work since we live in a family system.When we are born, it is a traumatic experience.which leaves us with unmeshed parts and as we grow older we are trying to connect with our lost parts.So when we find a partner we communicate in a way to nurture their inner child.I am sure that many of you hear are familiar with the inner child movement.This is a completely different philosophy than the pimp tight mindset which is about self love and not relying on anybody for your happiness through probing and self inquiry.So guys from your experiences do you believe that self love is enough?


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We believe what we BELIEVE...therefore we ARE. You are who you BELIEVE you are. It's really that damn simple. :ugeek:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:39 pm 
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I think there might be a bit of a false dichotomy being setup here, not necessarily intentionally.

On the one hand I see people saying something to the effect of, "you need to sack up and handle your shit on your own. We did it and so you should do it too."

I don't necessarily disagree with that sentiment, but the false dichotomy that is getting setup is that then the alternative - i.e. getting help from a professional - is the useless matrix-ey cop-out, which I don't agree with.

Yes, there are plenty of therapists that are worthless. Yes there are therapists that will just try to "re-insert you back into the matrix." But I don't think the choice is between doing everything on your own and fuck everybody else or giving up your independent thought and agency and getting plugged back into the matrix by some brainwashing therapist.

First off there are mental health professionals who are not "therapists" or "shrinks". There are people available to see/skype with that are not matrix-inserting shrinks. They may be harder to find, but they are out there.

Second, I think the notion of getting help is being disparaged a bit too much here. There is nothing wrong with getting help if thats actually what you need. What do you think this forum is? A place for people to get help. A forum, however, is limited in what it can deal with, and there is value to be had in establishing a consistent, long-term relationship with someone. Even if its just someone who mostly just keeps you accountable.

Like Dali said, you have to find the right person, the right fit. Like Flow said, seeing someone doesn't mean that you can abdicate responsibility or effort.

Is that what Caliboy needs? I wouldn't be so presumptuous to suggest that I know from reading a few posts on an anonymous forum. Only Caliboy can really tell.

I'm going to reiterate something I said earlier in this thread:
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I'm not going to tell you yes or no. You have to take a hard look at yourself and decide for yourself.
What I can say is that I have no relevant experience to be able to offer any insight into what happened in your childhood/teenage years.

You want to talk about attachment to desire? Sure. I can talk to you about that. You want to talk about becoming your own best friend? No problem. But I'm not going to speculate about your childhood/teenage experiences and what they mean for you now, because I have no idea.

And I can also say that you've been posting here for the better part of a year Caliboy, and you still seem to be having trouble with the fundamentals. Have you really made a commitment to working on yourself and getting your shit figured out?
Flow wrote:
The most important thing IMHO is to make the commitment

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Part of facing your inner demons is having these emotional vomits from time to time.I am not gonna fight it just gonna ride it out.It all comes to self discipline and self control.Fuck this theory bullshit,nobody can help you but yourself .So what if i have these urges doesn't mean i always need to act on them.I will have these purges from time to time but that is part of the process.I am not gonna beat myself up over this.I am a normal human being i don't regret or feel shameful for what happened, it is part of my learning experience.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:55 pm 
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caliboy85 wrote:
Part of facing your inner demons is having these emotional vomits from time to time.I am not gonna fight it just gonna ride it out.It all comes to self discipline and self control.Fuck this theory bullshit,nobody can help you but yourself .So what if i have these urges doesn't mean i always need to act on them.I will have these purges from time to time but that is part of the process.I am not gonna beat myself up over this.I am a normal human being i don't regret or feel shameful for what happened, it is part of my learning experience.
Solid. I like to simplify and just be with and feel whatever comes up in the moment- not get too caught up in what past things "mean". If some past thing is upsetting me i will recall it just to get in touch w the emotion to process but not to dwell on it. I have all kinds of crazy memories come up when i work, and it's easy to get all fascinated with them and start analyzing / playing self therapist. It's a mental distraction to trick you from continuing to go deeper. Let the stuff purge.

I like that your tone here is: this is what I'm going to do. Most other things have been looking for someone to tell you whether something is OK or not- even the thread titles. In the end you have to listen to yourself even if it goes against what ppl tell you, even dudes you respect or your mentors. If it ends up not working so well then re evaluate and put ego aside etc

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To add to this i am realizing that its not important for me to know why I am attracted physically to these girls.Just having the knowledge that they are not good for me and there looks may just be a gift wrapping to what's really underneath is a big step.


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So you guys suggest therapy? How can i find one that is not a feminist/Matrix brainswashed and will attempt to just focus on keeping me away from women/the community out of fear, rather than really help me get to the core issues?
I wouldn't bother, because it's too much effort for something that is not worth the price, which brings us to the greater realisation...

caliboy85 wrote:
Fuck this theory bullshit,nobody can help you but yourself
A therapist is charging you $1000's for something you are far more capable of doing - Going into yourself, the Prima Materia. You only have to have the intention to do it, that's all. And the secret to theory is to actually apply it to understand how it works in the real, physical world. Apply your knowledge Cali, and also drop the dating site thing. There is a damn good reason why these particular women are on it - but maybe you want to find out what that reason is? The same reason you are on it. Figure that out and you won't have to be on it.


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Don't expect anyone else to solve your problems.

Weird shit happens to everyone but it's your own mess to deal with.

You'll have to deal with the brunt of that somehow and that responsibility lies on noone but yourself.

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Taking time off from symp'n so you can go back to it later ain't gonna do you no good. Focus on improving yourself and don't give a fuck about women, then when your clout reaches critical mass....um, still don't give a fuck about women...it's not a mindset you turn on and off beeeetch

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