Natural Freedom

Ok, so this is the sequel to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2682

That thread was friday night, this one is about saturday night (last night). My buddy and I got together and worked on our costumes a bit more. We added some boxes and went as these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7H9xEesilU

Our costumes were pretty much spot on, and as you can imagine, we got tons of attention the whole night - lots of guys high-fiving us, girls screaming and running up to take pictures with us, and (from the people who had not seen the SNL skit and didn't know what we were) lots of highly disturbed/shocked reactions as well.

We went to a couple house parties were we knew most of the people and got very positive reactions - ovations and cheers when we walked in, lots of friends taking pictures with us, etc. Then, we went out on the town to a bar with a DJ and a dance floor, and then more of a straight up dance club. Those places are what I want to talk about.

So, here's my observations:

1) Outrageous outfits seem to amplify people's natural reactions, and polarize them a bit (pretty obvious I know). People who had negative reactions generally did not hide their reactions at all, and often would just turn away in disgust and leave. On the other side, there were people (men and women) who immediately loved our outfits and wanted to interact with us, pull us into their group, take pictures of us/with us. Those people probably would have been friendly/open to us even if our costumes hadn't been outrageous. People who were confused didn't try to hide their confusion and just blatantly stared at us.

2) Getting that much attention makes it harder to observe. There were so many people (men and women) constantly staring at us, so it was a ton to keep track of all the women and see which were just laughing at our costumes and which were jocking. My personal theory - all of them were jocking...

I have this feeling that this experience was maybe similar to what hot girls feel when they dress up in a very revealing outfit and get tons of attention out at a bar/club. I've had feelings kinda like this before, but this was by far the most outrageous thing I've worn out to a bar/club before, so the experience was much more obvious.

3) There were, however, several girls at the dance club who just stopped dancing entirely when they spotted us, and just stood there staring for 30 seconds with their jaws down. There was one girl (kinda attractive, but not hot) in particular that did this 3 different times, about every 20 minutes she would come by. She clearly wanted to interact with me, but I just kept dancing and having a good time on my own/with my friends who I had come with.

Since I want to work on being indifferent and getting rid of my neediness before I do anything to sleep with/date any girls, I felt like there was no reason why I should approach her and start talking to her (or any of the other girls who stopped and just stared). I was having a perfectly good time on my own, it was extremely loud and not conducive to talking, and there was nothing I wanted from her, so why would I strike up a conversation with her? In the past I probably wouldn't have started a conversation with her either, but I would have felt stressed about it and judged myself negatively for not "having the balls to talk to her," so it was kind of freeing actually.

4) Finally, this might be the most interesting insight - I found that the girls who approached us, or even the ones who stopped and stared and made it extremely obvious, were not very attractive. There were a lot of hot girls out, wearing next to nothing, but the ones who approached us were almost universally the middling ones - not the really ugly ones, and not the really attractive ones either. Single, in groups, with boyfriends, etc - it didn't seem to matter.

I got the gut feeling several times just from catching glances of several of the really hot girls there dressed in skimpy outfits (essentially lingerie), that they were upset because we were stealing their thunder. Like one of just a couple nights in the year when they can really show it all off and get ridiculous amounts of attention without being seen as slutty, and we came in looking goofy and outrageous and stole the attention away from them. I caught one hot girl look at us, then roll her eyes and make kind of a "humph" face and turn and walk the other direction...

I kind of have this feeling that because we weren't taking ourselves seriously and clearly were being goofy and acting a bit like fools that we were a bit off-putting to really attractive girls. Maybe the middling ones were duly impressed by the fact that we were getting lots of attention and had the guts to go out dressed like that, but I think that our experience was qualitatively different than this one, for example ( http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 567#p23567 )
So, while it was fun, and a good experience (I would totally do it again), I think that playing the clown is not really something to make a practice of. Instead, I want to keep working on developing that body language and dynamic that Kidd talks about (and fine-tuning the observation skills so I can better read people's responses to it as well)...

Sorry if this was a bit rambling, but I figured people might find it interesting, and it was useful for me to analyze it all as I was writing...

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I don't understand the whole ignore the girls that are jocking you thing that guys on this forum do. I get that you want to gain confidence/indifference by proving to yourself that you can walk away but sometimes it looks like your trying to avoid having a good time with a girl that is into you. I mean you don't even talk to them? Idk doesn't make sense to me.

It's just part of calibrating a new foundation...some people do it differently than others...you gotta do what works for you and whatever hammers the point home for YOU.

Sometimes...just knowing what you can do...is enough.

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Kidd, do you think that if he approached one of the girls that he says was jocking him, and had a convo with her, that he would be moving to the next level faster? In my opinion something is better then nothing. Especially if he was confident in the fact that the girl was checking him out. That's what you try to teach too.

I don't know, when I was starting off I was listening to Brent's podcasts. So I was doing the whole be carefree while talking to a girl. So I was always trying to have a conversation with a girl when I would go out. Not that I was pursuing, but I wanted to become comfortable while having a simple interaction and then maybe give out my number. When I began doing this, I would say it took me about 3 months to get very comfortable and confident while interacting. Then what started happening was I got good at hooking up within a few minutes of talking to a girl. So coming from me, I would say having actual experiences with interacting will help you move a lot faster. I know everyone has their own path and way of doing things but do you agree that dudes need to step up a little more and begin getting in the action? Instead of just doing all inner work and observing?

Nope...taking the time to hone a rock solid foundation after years of 'being asleep' is what is most important. Hoes will always be there...you can get pussy when you can't get anything to eat sometimes...no need to dilute the inner work with giving into ego...it's ultimately counterproductive.

This guy is no stranger to getting women...so he's not concerned with these broads...he's more concerned (and fascinated with) being able to see what most people cannot see...the Matrix for what it really is. Quite frankly, it can be better than sex to me as well, so I understand his viewpoint completely. Nothing wrong with it at all...to him the experience is worth more than pussy right now.

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This is something I've analyzed and thought about lots. The hot girls are pretty hard to read sometimes, they have tonnes of options so even if your someone they fits the bill they're not gonna just roll up and hand you the ball.

The time factor begins to work against them however if I am at the club where I don't know people, they know your not there very often or ever again so they'll be a little more open to get your attention. The ok looking/ugly girls are more likely to roll up and hand over the ball bc they don't know when they're gonna get laid again. Kinda like most guys.

If these are places you go to often or they have any connection to your social circle they are gonna front like a mofo. There is no sense of urgency on their part.

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Oh and there's a line of thinking in yoga. It's basically that there is no "doing" yoga. It's happening all the time, there's only ways in which you are resisting it.

That's what inner work and observation are for, sure I could approach. Or figure out which girls are interested and approach then ones that like me. Or I could do nothing be nothing and let her project whatever it is she wants onto me.

You don't have to "do" anything. You can engineer it to the point where you literally have to do nothing.

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Exactly...which goes against Mikey's PUA background of feeling like you HAVE to do something...very good, Morph.

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Yeah , this part of the mindset feels like it fits more naturally.

I can really tell how you made the mindset and then adapted and watered down parts of it.

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Yep...it is elegant in its complex simplicity.

Mikey...sometimes...doing nothing IS doing something...there is no spoon.

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anyone eslse noticed that sometimes those ugly/ok girls lie to themselves that they are hot bitches? I've seen that plenty of times, They act like they were hot, and then complain to their friends that they can't "meet the guy".

Same thing goes to masculine women (most often they're just spoiled little kids) they claim they are looking for a "man" but always try to control the relationship and when the guy doesn't let them they diss the guy that he's tyrant, doesn't know what "equal relationship is" lol. Noticed this stuff with my female managers and some teachers i know. Funny to see how bitter they are:)

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Yeah, that kind of behavior stems from childhood. The kids that get wrote off as not cool learn early on they have to be loud and in people's faces to be heard.

Guys do the same thing.

Not spoiled kids, neglected ones lol. The fine hoes are coming from a place of I'm the shit guys do what I want and ok/ugly hoes come from the point of view. I'm shit, do what I want (please?).

When you assume the position of being higher value than her she has to take the position of lower value.

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I get what your saying. At that time I was just into Brent's stuff which isn't PUA. Brent's the first guy that I ever heard talk about indifference. So at that time I was talking to a lot of women when I went out and taking his advice to heart because to me, his advice made the most sense to me oppose to other guys who made getting a girls number the ultimate goal or having sex. Brent made the ultimate goal about being indifferent and building confidence. So to me, the reason why I asked about this was because when I was going out and having interactions with different women I felt like I was improving constantly. Building confidence and being indifferent came a lot faster to me because I was willing to approach when I saw a women checking me out. Which led to girls approaching me and pursuing me.

I think taking action can lead to success faster. I'm not knocking anyone's way of improving themselves, this is only my experience. Also, I was NEVER into PUA shit. My way of being and improving myself with having interactions with women was based on only having a good time with people when I went out. I was never studying techniques or any of that other shit.

Don't get it twisted though Kidd, I get what your saying about sometimes doing nothing is the best thing. I agree with a lot of what you write. I've been into this stuff for years now and I've come from being a total pussy with women, to a place I never thought I would reach and it keeps getting better.

I listened to Brent for a while he has some good points but he's theories on talking to everyone in the bar and turning the other cheek to a power play never sat we'll with me

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