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Author:  NaturalJoe [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:52 am ]
Post subject:  My Story
I've been a PUA and slept with vacuous club chicks.

I've followed Amorati teachings and celebrated women.

Now I'm in a place in my life when I'm reverting back to what I was like in my formative years. Here's the deal I'm an aspiring Filmmaker, serious ambitions for big things. I've doggedly strived for this goal for over a year now, in the process making 8 short films and 3 music videos, spending every spare penny on this passion of mine. This is what I embraced from Zan's message, the importance of having life purpose beyond women and I am what some would consider the poster child for that philosophy.

The byproduct of this self development is what I now see is my value for Actresses... There is one in particular who I thought was a potential keeper, who I thought liked me for me, liked my honesty and vulnerability, the fact that I am doing my thing and inspiring others. She has a boyfriend but her behavior filled me with encouragement, every subconscious attraction sign possible as well as overt moves on her part.

I now realise this is all a value thing, has nothing to do with me as a person. I've always tested her by leaking out realities of my current situation. To be honest with you brothers, it's pretty shit at the moment, but I show potential. She's a 'Prada' expects a certain standard of living, she gets that from her bf and I cant give her that at the moment (not that I'd really want to give her that anyway). I've never met a women that has invested in me so much, encourages me, gets upset at any sign of disapproval of her. I'm a firm believer that it takes two to have chemistry. That's not enough for her.

This is why when I read posts on this site I realise that many women are looking for value first and foremost. This notion of true love is highly romanticised. I still believe showing desire for women is seductive but it's just not enough, if you cant back it up with value for their life.
Author:  Sniper [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My Story
NaturalJoe wrote:
This is why when I read posts on this site I realise that many women are looking for value first and foremost. This notion of true love is highly romanticised. I still believe showing desire for women is seductive but it's just not enough, if you cant back it up with value for their life.
NaturalJoe,

when I understood 'the value theory' (and I guess you already read it in the 'treasure chest') it hit me a little bit hard too. This whole 'true love' thing we see in romantic hollywood or Disney movies does not really exist in reality.

Women and Men love you for the value you offer and you love other people for the value they offer as well....

This is one of the things I didn't like about Zan's school of thought. He reads poems about love from the 1700's and acts like we are in some kind of a hollywood fantasy movie. Even in the 1700's people still got together and married each other for value - reality was never like in the poems :lol:

But anyway yea- Women like Zan because they feel he is giving them some kind of value Not because he is showing desire for them. Of course there is nothing wrong with showing desire for women But if a woman feels that you can't give her the value she Needs - no amount of showing desire or 'celebrating her' is going to make her attracted...

The value that Zan gives women is mentioned in Cameron's article (about edge and value):
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=961

of course not all women will like Zan's value because every woman is different....

All you can do in a nutshell is: follow your passions and goals, become the best man you can be, work on your niche edge, become your own best friend and find women that want the value that You offer.
Author:  NaturalJoe [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My Story
Yeah I guess it was my ego that made me think she likes me for me not the value I have for her life...
Author:  Sniper [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My Story
NaturalJoe wrote:
Yeah I guess it was my ego that made me think she likes me for me not the value I have for her life...
it doesn't exists..people only like other people for the value they offer (Men and Women). No one will like you 'for you' and you won't like anyone else 'for them'. Everything is just exchange of value...
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My Story
Sniper wrote:
NaturalJoe wrote:
Yeah I guess it was my ego that made me think she likes me for me not the value I have for her life...
it doesn't exists..people only like other people for the value they offer (Men and Women). No one will like you 'for you' and you won't like anyone else 'for them'. Everything is just exchange of value...
That's too black and white. Don't forget to take into consideration that some of what they may value in a man stems directly from the man himself...those certain 'intangibles'...attributes that are unique to him. For example, if Sniper and I have the exact same front and clout, then we are on an even playing field. The deciding factor then defaults to what she really NEEDS in a man...if she goes for more stoic than emotional guys, I'll get the nod. ;)
Author:  Star_Above [ Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My Story
The Kidd!! wrote:
Sniper wrote:
NaturalJoe wrote:
Yeah I guess it was my ego that made me think she likes me for me not the value I have for her life...
it doesn't exists..people only like other people for the value they offer (Men and Women). No one will like you 'for you' and you won't like anyone else 'for them'. Everything is just exchange of value...
That's too black and white. Don't forget to take into consideration that some of what they may value in a man stems directly from the man himself...those certain 'intangibles'...attributes that are unique to him. For example, if Sniper and I have the exact same front and clout, then we are on an even playing field. The deciding factor then defaults to what she really NEEDS in a man...if she goes for more stoic than emotional guys, I'll get the nod. ;)
That's still a form of value though, if it was Snipe's laugh she was into and he got throat cancer and lost his voice the next day you'd be on your back ridden harder than an abused elephant at cirque de soleil...he's still him, but lost that intangible value so she's gone to you.

NaturalJoe, great story man...glad you see the light.
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