ManniJa,
, that's one of the pimpest things I've heard in a while."you can't chase something that's chasing you"
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | failing at evoking the guilty plea |
So, I know I failed spectacularly at evoking the guilty plea with a girl that I thought liked me. This is my first trying it out, and it probably showed itself in the interaction. Before reading on this forum, I had always thought it was better to not to inform a female that you know she likes you. So here goes: I walk into my class room. The girl and I had spoken earlier last week before we had a short school break. This is my first time seeing her in a week. My gut told me she liked me from the interaction we had. I didn't know her name and that was a topic we talked about. Female: So, do you remember my name Me:(Pause)...Of course I remember your name. You told me your name. Female: oh, ok cool. Me:(Pause)...so "insert name" how was your weekend? Female: it was fine. How was reading period (she's asking about the time when we met)? Me: It was nice. I drank every night including Tuesday. Female: (Laughter) cool. Me: I know you like me. You like me a lot. You have a high interest in me. (She doesn't deny what I have said) Female:(Gasp!) What did you say (she's smiling)? (there is a pause. The only other person in the room leaves as she waits) Me: You heard me. Female:(Gasp) Well what I want to know is why you left college for a break? (she's still smiling, I had told her she would find out after she gets to know me) Me:(Pause)...(I turn to look at her I haven't said a thing yet. Other people start walking in). Female: whatever. The class starts. She only looks at me once near the start of class. I noticed that we were sitting in the same body language posture a couple of times. So, three hours later class ends. I pack my things. I talk with a couple friends. She's moving very slow at packing her things. I speak to the teacher, and I find out that she doesn't have the date when our final paper for the class is due. I let the teacher know that I'm trying to schedule my flight plan. I start talking to myself out loud about the plans. She cuts into my spoken thoughts after I pause for a second. I noticed she was looking at me while I was talking to the teacher and waiting for me. As soon I start to pass her she walks with me. Female: Where are you going? Me: Snack bar. I'm hungry as hell. Female: Oh, I thought you flying somewhere soon. Me: I am, come christmas time. (silence)...I hand her this slip of paper that I wrote my number on. Me: hit me up, when you feel the same way as I do. Female: (Speaking over small chatter)I don't know your name! What's your name! Me: (continuing to walk away...I stop and pause and say my name) I would have liked to say call me and you'll find out my name, but I was at a blank because she hit me with something I didn't expect. It never occurred to me that she might have forgot my name especially since she spoke to me first, when we first met, and this time where she spoke to me first again. I was totally shocked. Lol, I guess she didn't like me as much as I thought. I fully expect her to throw my number away and never text me, but what I want to know is how I stop her fronting and get her to admit that she likes me. I thought just saying I knew she liked me would be enough. Do I tell her to admit the shit next time. |
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| Author: | Star_Above [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
You can't chase something that's chasing you...being aloof and showing no intrest is how to deal with these females. Wanna evict the guitly plea? Keep showing no intrest through all of her tests and finally she'll be like "Fuck, I really like you, why don't you like me??!". |
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| Author: | Sai [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
ManniJa, , that's one of the pimpest things I've heard in a while."you can't chase something that's chasing you" |
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| Author: | peregrinus [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:30 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | ||
Me: hit me up, when you feel the same way as I do.
There, that is better Female: (Speaking over small chatter)I don't know your name! What's your name! Me: (continuing to walk away...I stop and pause, turn to look at her, turn back round and continue walking away) 
You can't chase something that's chasing you...
Beautiful ManniJa 
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:01 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | |
You can't chase something that's chasing you...being aloof and showing no intrest is how to deal with these females. Wanna evict the guitly plea? Keep showing no intrest through all of her tests and finally she'll be like "Fuck, I really like you, why don't you like me??!"[sic].
You made an interesting point. I thought about it for a while and let the idea float around in my head. I ask this black female that walks near me when it's ok to tell a female she has ugly underwear and that she needs to step her underwear game up. She doesn't have an answer and we wind up talking. Blah, blah, blah, woo, woo, woo. She asks me where she can put her coat in the place we were chillin in. I have suspicions that it was just a reason to get me alone, but I wasn't feeling like being alone with her. I lead her upstairs, and she's got a problem with the room I showed her. Blah, blah, blah, woo, woo, woo. I'm tired of talking with her and say I'm going downstairs. I really know I have the power when she starts grumbling as I'm walking away saying, "fine. I don't wanna talk to you anymore anyway." I walk outside have a cigarette, and I post up where I was initially and get back to asking people more questions for my paper. Just as my gut told me, she showed up five minutes later telling me how mean I am and how I should be nice. I bullshit the fuck out of her fill her head with ideas about how I'm nice or something. Damn, I forget what I say so easily. I don't think I said anything along those lines at all, but I did say something. All of a sudden she starts saying I'm not gonna front, and I like you but you're mean. I'm really not trying to hear her fake ass bull shit reading me lines straight out the devil's symp manual. I say, "do you want my number?" She says, "fuck no, I don't want your number." I laugh and tell her that I was handing her my fake phone anyway as I whip out the throwaway phone I'm currently using. I watch as final straw breaks the camel's back. She falls apart and immediately says some bullshit I don't care to hear. I prat her up about how real friends take initiative and shit. I let her know that I don't plan to call her and I watch as she winds up. She insists that I take her number and grabs the real phone from my hands. She puts her number in my phone, and I tell her to dial herself. She tries to act like she's not fronting saying some bullshit about it not being a fake number and dials herself. I listen a little while longer as she tells me how she likes me, but I just don't really feel like she does. I doubt that she will call or text me over the next couple of days. She knows jack shit about me, but she tells me how she likes me. Bitches can still front, acting like they're giving out the guilty plea. God help these ho's. |
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| Author: | peregrinus [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:57 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | |
She knows jack shit about me
I smell it, it looks like it, so this sentence must be bullshit.Think about it and you will realise just how much she does know about you now, from your interactions with her over the course of the evening. She knows a lot more than you realise she does. |
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
She knows some of my mannerisms and can probably infer a few things from the way I act, but that is all she knows. She for sure doesn't know what makes me tick and gets me invested in a person. I already see this bitch trying to ride her way down the rabbit hole. She texted me yesterday on weekend rather than putting in a call. Maybe I'm weird, but I think if you haven't already got your weekend activities together by mid day on a Saturday then your life is less fulfilling than it should be. I figure that this female needs a little more education. My gut is telling me that she is going to try and pace me rather than lead. It's time to sponge up some power and wash this ho in a torrent of repression, silence, and indifference until she graduates with honors from 'obedient ho school'.  I have learned an important lesson though. Admissions mean less than actions. It's not really that subtle and lacks nuances, but it's important. I wish the Kidd had put that shit in right along with the evoking the guilty plea. |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:06 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | |
I wish the Kidd had put that shit in right along with the evoking the guilty plea.
Everything is as it should be...it is by design. Have some faith in the architect. 
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| Author: | urgirlzwitme [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
I thought this forum was about becoming a natural? All u guys talk about is these retarted techniques that make no sense. This might as well be a PUA forum. I mean seriously what the fuck? |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:40 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | |
I thought this forum was about becoming a natural? All u guys talk about is these retarted techniques that make no sense. This might as well be a PUA forum. I mean seriously what the fuck?
Which retarded technique are you referring to?
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| Author: | Altair [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's idyllic. There will always be patterns and similiarities in situations. The difference between a pua and natural to put it very inside the box. Is that a pua uses someone else's rules on how to be himself where as the natural tests and refined and only keeps what vibes with him. And relies on personal experience Your definition of natural sounds like the pua one which doesn't exist |
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
there are no techniques mang. Lol, we are talking about concepts. If you are talking about repression, silence, and indifference then you need to read some more from the treasure chest and kiddz corner. These moves are built on people in general and are techniques of power. There is no PUA shit here. The only thing we advocate is keeping open ears and eyes. You have two ears and one mouth we advocate using them in that order. Signs and symbols of the conscious mind dude. Note about the thread: I have come to respect the power of silence and the weakness of unacknowledged people. A huge imbalance of power brews in the space between two people when this occurs. |
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| Author: | Star_Above [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:03 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea | |
I thought this forum was about becoming a natural? All u guys talk about is these retarted techniques that make no sense. This might as well be a PUA forum. I mean seriously what the fuck?
To become a "natural", whatever the fuck that is, you need the right "mindset", that's what we talk about here, how to think a certain way, not how to use techniques.
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| Author: | Sai [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
to the untrained eye they seem like techniques, until he experiences the things we talk about, then it will only seem or sound like techs. |
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
Ok, this shit is getting creepy. I have to revise my notions on evoking the guilty plea again. Admissions carry weight in that they carry conversation. What I mean is that when a women evokes the guilty plea and says she likes you she will put effort into to continuing the conversation. The door opens up for you to give small commands. Actions do mean more than words, but unseen actions dictate unseen circumstances. The only way I can demonstrate is by showing you how this female who evoked the guilty plea is filling space. I have been giving this female plenty of space. I only soft command her once in text. Friday I decided to close some of the space that I have been giving her. Note what happens. Friday Me: I guess you were right. You were pretty calm when I saw you today. You must want something. K: lol I swear I'm not out to get you. Honestly, I can only accept how you act toward me - no reason to be angry about that. Me: Don't be so defensive. This is one of the best weekends of the semester. K: nah nah not defensive at all it's just hard to read u. where u at tonight? Me:The location is pretty easy to find out with an educated guess. K:Oh Jesus Christ. I might see your sarcastic ass there then. K:Actually I probably won't lol. I have no one to go with. Have fun though! K:Tuh, you're not even here! K:Well I hope I get to see you for real some time...no pressure K: I get the hint, I'm backing off. After the third text message I thought she would text one more time. After the 4th text message I thought she would text one more time because may have genuinely looked for me, albeit in the wrong place. I was correct. I still think she's holding out and trying to manipulate me, but from the experience that I've had, when I've said this it means that she is frustrated and thinking about me a lot. I don't know what the time frame is to lose total interest. The difference between she and I is that if I say that to a female I'm at the end of my rope, and I have never been out to manipulate a person from the start. The subtext is that I'm withdrawing my interest so if you want me you need to tell me so. She's trying to evoke the guilty plea from me. Note how the plea is carrying the conversation. She's trying to reverse it and get me to run in some damn circles. What we have to understand is that this may be effectuated by her complying to my statement. The ambiguity, vagueness, and soft command nature may have been irresistible. I doubt she looked for me though. I am now tempted to give a little, a very slight bit, more credence to the guilty plea. Guess what I say next.... Spoiler: Respect a man almost done working for the night. Quit being so self-centered. |
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| Author: | peregrinus [ Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
You are projecting. She is responding to that. |
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
yes I am. Edit: For those who read this post and don't get where I am going with this, I have provided a link below that describes what I'm doing. As a note, I am psychologically less attached and feel less than the female. She cannot handle the way she likes me and gets herself riled up in general etc. Yesterday was a little different though. We had an interaction earlier in the day, and I used that interaction to respond to one of the texts she had sent me. In the ensuing messages I utilized her energy and thoughts. I lack the same level of feelings so I add a dimension of my feelings which aren't useful/damaging/unhelpful and reflect these feelings with her own feelings back onto her. In essence I used these feelings to make her identify with me since they are essentially her own. What happens is solely based on the receiving party. Projective Identification just cuts into a person and creates strong feelings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_identification |
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| Author: | Dali [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
I don't get any of this 
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
Leave her alone long enough and you won't have to do anything at all!
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| Author: | Slim Titan [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: failing at evoking the guilty plea |
@ Dali: check the link I provided then. @ Kidd: Nice point. We both know I can stop doing anything at all and still receive some shit, but I'm thinking long range/long term. I expect her to get real overt around the time my phone gets shut off due to non payment. I see a magnificent castle of space about me being built in her mind, and I'll really test her with paying my phone bill before she gets some pipe. My feeling is that there must be a reason (we talk) and some encouragement. Although it doesn't need much. She's filling my inbox up with texts even when I don't text back. She'll be speaking to my voicemail on a consistent basis real soon. I don't like being assed out and up a creek without a paddle if you get my drift about the effort and the quality of what I'll receive, and the last few times I went silent on different bitches all I received was a weak ass attempt at throwing some pussy in my face. Hell, the most I received from being silent was a couple bowls of shitty reggie bush weed, a six pack, bullshit conversation, and some sloppy head. It's like my uncle told me, "It's hard to get something for nothing." This thread can be closed now. I learned what I wanted to learn about evoking the guilty plea, and this thread obviously isn't popular. |
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