Natural Freedom

Hugh Macleod

I'm starting to think why the Don Juan de Marco movie was recomended by TheKidd!

The placebo effect has one other obvious explanation, which is not touched by the experts:

The fact that the human body/brain has a self-healing ability, when it comes to many diseases, as long as it is properly fed and convincingly reinforced to utilize it.

We could interpret Jesus' words "Your faith has saved you" as "It is your faith that really saved you and not me".

You heal by yourself, believing it can be done. There are modern cases of cancer patients, in which cancer mysteriously "disappeared".

Our body/brain therefore is a holistic therapist

"You just gave vourself permission, not to worry about it anymore"

Reading this again it appears I totally missed the point of this thread. It wasn't about placebo, it was about how the placebo helped those people. Those people were trying to bend the spoon, and when the placebo let them believe the spoon did not exist they then found that the spoon bended for them.

Further evidence for the placebo effect, certainly interesting to watch.

In the past, some researchers have questioned even the existence of the phenomenon. But now it is a valid phenomenon, as has been established by experimental methods. There have been changes in brain activity as a result of implementing a sham treatment.

The most accepted view states that the placebo effect occurs because the patient believes in the drug, treatment or therapist. After the sham treatment, the brain of the patient causes changes in the functioning of other organs, resulting in improvement. That is, the patient expects to feel better and it happens. The mechanisms of the effects are not fully understood. But the fact that specific effects are displayed does not mean that the illness or symptoms of the individual were - in any sense - false. The existence of the placebo effect is another evidence of the mind-body link. According to some research data, the phenomenon can be partly attributed to the release of endorphins in the brain. These substances are natural painkillers. But, surely, the underlying mechanisms are more complex, since such effects arise not only in relation to the limitation of pain.

The placebo effect has one other obvious explanation, which is not touched by the experts: The fact that the human brain has a self-healing ability, when it comes to many diseases, as long as it is properly fed and convincingly reinforced to utilize it. We could interpret Jesus' words "Your faith has saved you" as "It is your faith that really saved you and not me". You heal by yourself, believing it can be done. There are modern cases of cancer patients, in which cancer mysteriously "disappeared". Is our brain therefore a potential holistic therapist?

Funny isn't it, zogler? There are a number of patients who mysteriously have recovered from cancer without any conventional treatment and yet, you never hear of them. The press seeem to want to keep their mouths shut on those cases and tell us only about the ones who 'battled' and died.

The health care industry would be better described as a sickness industry. It benefits from illness rather than health. After all, maintaining symptoms and diseases are what generates a steady cash flow. There is no money neither in healthy people nor in dead people. The money is in the middle: people who are alive, but with one or more chronic conditions.

I fully endorse and agree with you here zogler.

Have said it on this forum and other places as well and will continue to do so.

This is from someone who spent some time working in the 'health services'.

God bless you, zogler.

I am also totally aware that cures aren't as profitable as treatments...but since my livelyhood depends on it, I ain't trippin'. In my line of work, we would lose about 75% of our 'client' base if these damn self entitled, lazy fatasses would start eating sensibly and exercising regularly. But NOOOOOOOOOO...they wanna inhale copious amounts of high fat/high carb/high HFCS foods and sit on their asses watching reality TV...then go to the doctors to get 'magic' pills which keep them juuuuuuuust alive enough to keep on living horribly with their horrible lifestyles. I feel NO pity for these 'Ugly Americans' and sleep very well at night.

My country is going to SHIT thanks to no self-responsibility, no self-accountability, and an inflated sense of self-entitlement.

Another interesting topic on the lack of self-discipline and that kinda stuff is how countries like China for example raise their children. They learn martial arts, pick a career path when they are very young and are constantly being pushed to be at a peak level of performance and contribute something of value to society.

Speaking of health, What are your opinions on raw food diet ? Just curious

Not directed towards me, but I think I have sustainable knowledge about it.

Ultimately, it comes down to this.. Humans need the nutrients in meat. Now, you can use supplements to replace meat, but it isn't the same. When taking supplements, we don't take in all of the vitamins from them. That's why they say don't take a multi-vitamin to replace the nutrients in food.

I can attest to this, I tried a raw food diet and became very sluggish as my iron levels got real low. Took the supplements and all. After a while, I decided to eat meat and immediately felt better.

However, lowering your red meat intake is proven to be beneficial for your health in the long term.

Certainly not funny, but quite reasonable and predictable.

The health care industry would be better described as a sickness industry. It benefits from illness rather than health. After all, maintaining symptoms and diseases are what generates a steady cash flow. There is no money neither in healthy people nor in dead people. The money is in the middle: people who are alive, but with one or more chronic conditions.

We are being sold on the belief that pharmaceutical drugs and surgery are the key solution to all of our health problems. If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth, especially when it encourages bad habits.

If you believe you will die, you will die. In order to survive, you have to decide you are going to live, make it a clearly defined goal of yours. However, we must realize that our mind, allthough a formidable weapon in our arsenal, is a necessary but not sufficient condition to live a healthy life.

Hm... I didn't have meat for close to 5 years now and I'm fine, iron-wise.. At least it seems like that, I'd have to take blood test to make sure.. Figs are good source of aron, as are beans etc, are you sure iron is the main component in meat we need ?

It's more than just iron.. We need vitamin B-12 which is found naturally in only animal sources, among other vitamins. It prevents anemia (lack of iron).

Being that we all came from omnivore ancestors which altered our genetics, I'd say eating meat is the best natural option. Plus, vegetables and fruits aren't as whole nutrition wise as they used to be.

Then again, It all comes down to what your body tells you that you need.. If you feel better on a raw diet, go for it.

...My country is going to SHIT thanks to no self-responsibility, no self-accountability, and an inflated sense of self-entitlement.