Natural Freedom

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409459/

this movie has a lot of realities about life. If anyone saw it I'm willing to talk more about it

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

One of my favorite movies. Rorschach is also one hell of a person to study. Same as Dr. Manhattan. I'd like to talk about this one as well.

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Take it easy, man. But take it.

Alright cool, let's start of with 3 things:

Dr. Manhattan says towards the end of the movie: I can change almost everything, but I can't change human nature...

when things are good people (not all people but most) usually screw each other (like in the business world for example) and act egoic- but when the nation\country had a tragedy (like after a war) or after the 9\11 (in America's case) people unite and try to be better people to each other.

Rorschach says in the beginning of the movie something like: The city is afraid of me, I have seen it's true ugly nature: pornography, dirty politics, hoes and more (I just don't remember it word for word)
one day they will be crying; save us but I won't...
he has seen the ugly nature of people (the matrix analogy) and he says that in the beginning...

These are just three things now your turn...

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Rorschach has is own sense of justice.. He sees and acknowledges the dark side of people, but he doesn't tolerate people acting on it. He's oneof the few who have the courage to see AND acknowledge this side of human nature.
He's also been hurt deeply by this - His mother was a prostite, he didn't know his father, he was bullied - I think he had to fight this some way, he chose to fight it externally by "bringing criminals to justice".

He's the most "human" of all superheroes I know. Not even Stan Lee could create a superhero like this IMO.

Also the "love story" between Comedian and old Silk Spectre (mother of Comedian's daughter) is interesting and understandable from this point of view

Ozzymandias is interesting characeter in his own categorry aswell. He understood that society needed the new version of Matrix at the time, the illusion, or the civilisation would destroy himself in nuclear war. It is practically another dark side of human nature, to destroy and kill each other.

Watch the director's cut if you didn't, btw.

The Comedian - the classic dude who doesn't give a shit (esp. about women)...

Also the young Silk Spectre (or Silk Spectre II) notice how she was into Dr. Manhattan but then when he wasn't giving her the attention she needed she went to night owl which was her Second best option cause she didn't know anyone else. She said something like: I don't have any other friends besides you watchmen (I don't remember exactly what she said).

If Dr. Manhattan kept giving her the attention she needed or came back and said;
hey from now on I'll give you what you need she would have dumped night owl in a second...

Dr. Manhattan knows what she needs but it\she was not important enough for him so night owl was a
rebound.

notice at the end of the movie she kisses Dr. Manhattan before he leaves earth (maybe hoping he would stay on earth and with her...)

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Yeah, but he didn't do the inner shit at all, there was a scene when he totally broke down and cried about what he did in vietnam etc

And yeah, nite owl was her best option at the time, since Manhattan gave a shit only about saving the world from energy crisis

She kisses him and "loves" him, because she can't get him in the end and she knows it, too

I'm going to re watch this today before I get into discussion with you guys.

One things that's stuck with me the last time I saw the movie was that Dr. Manhattan's powers were both a blessing and a curse. Knowing the truths he knew, there was no way he could function in society or be happy. Seeing that there was no reason to, he stopped giving a shit about anything that "normal people" do.

I also found it quite ironic that Veidt outsmarted Manhattan by simply knowing how he'd react. Power of observation.

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Take it easy, man. But take it.

Dr. Manhattan was pure logic (never let his emotions override logic). Although he never mentioned it in the movie- he knew that 'love' (as seen in Hollywood or in books) doesn't exist- that's why he had no problem leaving Silk Spectre II

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

NOT true AT ALL sniper.

Ozzy says that John looks like he doesn't feel anything, but he is emotionally fragile in reality, and he's right.
His emotions come as cold and numb, because he's experienced and seen so much
"When you left me, I left earth" He told Silk Spectre II on the Mars. That whole scene looks pretty emotional to me.
But I think that he understood that love is mostly (if not only) about chemicals, but he did not break free from untill the end of movie where he let go of every attachment he had..