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I'm surprised it's not already on this site.

It is a very good movie.

Roger Dodger streaming

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All right, fine.

There have already been three movies which have dealt with this topic. One of them was unreleased, one flew into the cinema and flew out and the last one was a critical and financial hit. All three films lacked quality and could have done considerably better considering the topic area.

There was one other film, Magnolia, but this dealt with Tom Cruise's issues with his father more than his character's understanding of the female mind.

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Sparkling All Over

Are you saying you didn't like the movie ?

I thought about watching magnolia, but 3 hours and the fact that Tom Cruise's personnage is inspired by Ross Jeffries ... I couldn't ...

Do you recommend it ?

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Scarf...which 3 movies are you referring to? Is one of them the one that had Zan as a cameo?..and please specify which movie is attached to which description...thanks!

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So to elaborate…..

The one that was unreleased:

Let The Game Begin is a story is about a man who realises that his wife only married him for money and is about to imminently receive divorce papers. He then meets a pick up artist who teaches him pick up artistry like it’s a biological fact. The film features a cameo appearance from Zan Perrion, which, surprisingly, appears to be completely unnecessary and totally out of keeping with the film. Perrion appears twice in total, on both occasions, looking like he just walked off the street and into the movie set, giving his usual advice and disappearing. The exploration of pick up artistry however, is actually done rather well in the film. Women are portrayed quite realistically and despite its obvious reliance on the Mystery Method, it does well not to portray women in a misogynistic light. If anything, it is overly harsh on the pick up industry. The rest of the story however appears to be a wrap-around for its male-female interaction set pieces and is poorly constructed. Due to its lack of coherence, star power and a strong suppressive desire from the community itself, the film never even made the DVD shelves.

The one that flew into the cinema and out again:

How to Stop Being a Loser is a British film starring Richard E. Grant about a boy who, in his endeavours with women trouble, ends up meeting a guy who teaches him how to court and seduce women. This film was so poorly received by audiences and critics, I didn’t even have a chance to consider watching it before it disappeared from where it came.

The one that was a critical and financial hit:

Crazy Stupid Love took a whopping $145m at the box office. The story is about Steve Carrell whose marriage is more or less over when he runs into Ryan Gosling at the local bar. Gosling, out of sympathy, teaches Carrell how to become a smooth talking ladies man. Carell gets laid by a young, sexy temptress, after which Carrell realises that what he actually wants is his 62 year old wife back in his life.

Yeah, sure.

Gosling’s advice is generally good, however there appear to be severe inconsistencies which make no sense at all. For example, Gosling appears to be hell bent on buying women drinks. Within two sentences, the next thing to come out of his mouth is ‘can I buy you a drink?’ At one point Carrell points out that Gosling always asks women if he can buy them a drink, but no explanation is given as to why. The film is also duplicitous with regard to its ideas on pick up artistry as it is portrayed as a superior practice in the first half of the film and portrayed as manipulative and empty in the second half of the film. It also contains a gut wrenching speech about how love conquers all.

PS Magnolia is an outstanding film. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the pick up industry. It is an ensemble cast which happens to feature the biggest movie star of all time. The film was nominated for two Academy Awards with Cruise nominated for Best Actor. Interestingly, his performance slightly mirrors events in his own personal life.

Anyway, I’ll give Roger Dodger a go….


…hang on a second…..

That's the same guy who wrote Let The Game Begin...

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Sparkling All Over

This guy only wrote the synopsis on imdb, not the movie !

I saw 'Let the game begin' last year (it was kinda fun in a way) ... it was released somewhere ...

I'm waiting your review on Roger Dodger

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
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I saw Roger Dodger a few years ago but I remember there being some attention paid to observation.

WARNING: May contain plot spoilers as I'm not sure I can discuss the film without giving at least something away.

Anyway,

Roger Dodger has an interesting cast as the film features two later to be known actors in Campbell Scott (The Amazing Spider-Man) and Jesse Eisenberg (The Social Network). The film also features an aged Isabella Rosselini.

Scott plays an almost, if not completely, cynical character who appears to obsess about women's vaginas. He also appears to be a chronic smoker, which features heaviliy through the film. He is also in a seemingly loveless relationship with Rosselini who casually dumps him. It is at this point that he runs into his newphew, played by Eisenberg who heard from his mother that he was a ladies man and was wishing to learn from him because he, at the age of 16, is still a virgin. Not wishing to dissapoint, Scott invites his newphew for a night out in the town to learn how to hunt. The central running gag in the film is that Scott himself is also useless with women, he just happens to think he isn't.

The directing style is what I like to call 'pornographic hand held camera'. This is where the camera constantly moves to make the film look like the audience is getting a sneak peak at all the going's on. Similar to a found footage film. I have always said that this works very well for pornography but very poorly for feature films. However, the plot is intriguing enough to make you forget about the shaky camera and concentrate on the insanity of Scott's character.

Although the movie is supposed to be a comedy, there is only one major gag in the film and it comes right at the very end. The film is 141 minutes long and you have to wait 141 minutes for the gag to arrive. It's similar to when you tell your friend a very long, drawn out joke but the punchline at the end is worth it. This film is a lot like this. It's one joke that takes 141 minutes to tell. It is this gag that saves the movie from looking like a bunch of random events. There are also other elements that hit me on a personal level in the film particularly when Eisenberg returns to school after everything that he experienced the night before, making him more experienced than the vast majority of boys sitting at his table. It must also be said that Eisenberg's performance is absolutely outstanding. Scott also does very well.

Decent film, though not containing anything from modern day pick up.

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Sparkling All Over

Yeah I got a "Decent film" review, nice

The film is 1h46m, not 141 minutes ... (maybe you meant 1:41m or 1.41m but not 2h21 )

I posted it not so much on the pick up part but rather his 'seemingly good understanding' (he nails their situations accuratly, kinda like californication with meredith ^^) of women (or at least he's good to make them angry )

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Alvin Toffler

Yes, you are right, I couldn't actually remember as I watched the film rather late last night.

It is 1:41 minutes long. And not 141 minutes.

Also, Tom Cruise/Magnolia was nominated for Golden Globes, not an Oscar. Cruise's Oscar nomination came for Jerry Maguire.
What you were watching was his interpretation of their life situations, there wasn't any real indication as to weather or not he was 'right'. More importantly, it showed his level of/ lack of understanding about women and his way of dealing with them.

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have you seen Magnolia?

Tom Cruise's character is based on Ross Jeffries (inventor of speed seduction). That was funny

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Also despite the ugliness that Mr. Ross Jeffries exudes (inside & out), he is a very competent marketer and a consumated cult leader.

Thanks for the Magnolia suggestion.

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There is controversy over the idea that Cruise's character is based off of Ross Jeffries. Cruise denies that this was the case.

Given the performance, I am more likely to believe him. Cruise's character is nothing like Ross Jeffries. If anything it is much, much closer to Tyler from RSD.

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Sparkling All Over

really?

I saw Tyler's seminar 'the blueprint decoded' he didn't seem like the character Tom Cruise played, but then again: I never met him in person so I don't know what he is like in real life.

as far as the movie Magnolia:

from Wikipedia:

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Seeing as you quoted Wikipedia, how about including the relevant quote:

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