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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:38 am 
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What then is the point of even being with a woman ?

To think for so long I held on to these beliefs..... I feel like my very existence shattered before me my only purpose for living really is for my self interest after reading the manipulated man I don't know if I want to be with another woman because of these facts that will be held in the back of mind.

The Kidds Marquee Value theory holds all to true especially after reading that book, and the code they speak "A man must be able to protect me" Ahh :evil: of course how I could I be such an idiot but I can't blame myself and after all I was raised mostly by a woman.

This is truly a woman's world even the president himself is a slave along with his daughters, I am done I will just kill my sex drive to make sure my head stays clear.

their ass backwards irrational actions all of it nothing but deception, now I see why Kidd you got mad at Sniper for falling for that woman's tears when she started crying. It is all an act to manipulate talking about deep in the rabbit hole. Barca if you want that bond with a woman go right ahead you will only suffer from the pain of what their definition of love is.

PLayboy Porno all of it nothing more than a ploy to drive us mad with lust I have to workout tomorrow this is making so mad anyway I hope somebody understands what I'm talking about if not let me know I will clarify I'm just in a rage at this point.

From this point on whatever action I take it will be for the sole benefit for me and close friends nothing else

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Right now you're going through the initial anger and shock of the Red Pill, as angry as you are now you will realise eventually that you can enjoy your time with women and you can have genuine relationships (not talking about monogamy but I don't jave snother wors for this right now) you just have to make sure you have a good head on your shoulders, have a good read on the situation, it's all covered in Covert Tactics, re-reading it with the experiences I'm having now helps to understand it more.

I know just how you feel reading this book but what you do with that feeling is what matters, as Kidd keeps mentioning, use these circumstances and feelings to make something better for yourself, instead of killing your sex drive you can use it to focus on your goals, some people call it 'sexual transmutation' if you're familiar with it, that's what I've been doing and I find it a healthy way of dealing with sexual frustration if it occurs.

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@Resonance

I know how you feel man, I was also pissed after I finished reading that book. The truth is a bitch...

You have talked about third world women in another post, I don't think that they are not users. I mean some of them might have better values than American women (if they didn't grow up in America) but they are also after improving their status so in the end it's almost the same.

another thing is: women always complain that they have pressure to look good, but it's usually the man who pays for it not them, as I wrote here:
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But it's good that you know all this because now you can focus on yourself and your goals.

*Also remember that there are some good women around. They might be rare but they do exists. The rare good women will not be after your money but more your values and your personality.* ;)

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Sniper, get off this 3rd world shit...those women just haven't been put in the right environment to bring it out of them. When I was overseas, I watched otherwise average looking, faithfully married women become drunk with power of realizing that the environment they were in made them goddesses for a year. Women are women...PERIOD.

Resonance...you have just passed out after Morpheus' coppertop speech. Rest up, have some gruel, and refocus. Use that sexual energy to learn Kung Fu. ;)

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Hey guys I can relate. After reading that book and observing most of my friends' relationships it is just so obvious. It's hard not to get mad, but I guess the anger stirs from having felt deceived or conned.

After accepting reality for what it is, now it's time to forgive. It doesn't make sense to be a bitter angry and resentful person over something you can't control.

I also agree with Sniper there are good women out there, especially those who have good values and aren't out to use others for their own means. Now you know better not to get manipulated or sucked in that easily on facades.

By the way, this got me thinking on my roommate from college in freshman year. He was a hardcore Christian and all his close buddies belonged to the same church and same Christian group. After hanging out with them, they were good people with good values, except for the whole Christ fanaticism, I thought they were cool.

Turns out, that most of his group of friends, about 6-7 dudes got married within 2 years after college. I met the girls they married and they were loving, warm and had good values. They certainly weren't out for money or good looks, and strictly operated on their own set of Christian standards of value.


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The Kidd!! wrote:
Women are women...PERIOD.

Agreed.

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instead of killing your sex drive you can use it to focus on your goals, some people call it 'sexual transmutation' if you're familiar with it, that's what I've been doing and I find it a healthy way of dealing with sexual frustration if it occurs.

Nicely put Alchemist

To everyone: Let it go!

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Resonance: Bravo on making this step... As Kidd said, rest up, give yourself some time.. The side effects of the pill will pass.. Then you will see the world with new eyes..
Sounds like you already are, give your vision time to adjust, it will be a jolt to start with. You may throw up and pass out a few times, this will pass.

Really, Bravo Resonance, Bravo :)

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Right now you're going through the initial anger and shock of the Red Pill, as angry as you are now you will realise eventually that you can enjoy your time with women and you can have genuine relationships (not talking about monogamy but I don't have other words for this right now) you just have to make sure you have a good head on your shoulders, have a good read on the situation, it's all covered in Covert Tactics, re-reading it with the experiences I'm having now helps to understand it more


Fix'd 8-)

I don't know if this is possible even now I'm still angry either this will take awhile to let go or I will spend the rest of my life in hatred of them. But I will definitely be reading covert tactics again because I have a lot to prepare for I will be spending it refining this method and bending it to my will I must be ready. :twisted:


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I know just how you feel reading this book but what you do with that feeling is what matters, as Kidd keeps mentioning, use these circumstances and feelings to make something better for yourself, instead of killing your sex drive you can use it to focus on your goals, some people call it 'sexual transmutation' if you're familiar with it, that's what I've been doing and I find it a healthy way of dealing with sexual frustration if it occurs.


This is exactly what I intend to do I am focus on myself from this point forward I'm in it for me let those suckers live in that fantasy land I feel free in a way where they don't even matter anymore to me. I have heard of that concept before Alchemist I guess this would be the correct thing to do considering that it would benefit me health wise, I will be living in hatred of them don't need to do myself any unnecessary harm to myself any more than that.

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I know how you feel man, I was also pissed after I finished reading that book. The truth is a bitch...


It can be a bitch or it could be liberating no longer do I care about them in any possible way the fucked up part for me is that I have to deal with them at my job on a consistent basis, this will be a problem I don't think I will have enough space for myself to let this subside its all still fresh in my head "All a woman is good for is a pair of breast and a vagina"
that alone makes me blindly angry and the other one is "women are all prostitutes"its like man those words alone make me think of every situation possible where they are so true.

I love you Bah in translation he's an excellent workhorse :evil:

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You have talked about third world women in another post, I don't think that they are not users. I mean some of them might have better values than American women (if they didn't grow up in America) but they are also after improving their status so in the end it's almost the same.


Forget them as well, as you started proving that they aren't no better in any other country they look to see what you can possibly do for them not that I can blame them if I were in their situation I would do the same, your Prime example is Thailand once you shone the light on that everything in that book really made a lot more sense and what The Kidd had also input before about them as well, then there is this whole marriage thing that is basically selling your soul to them.

And for what to slave away at shit for them to possibly look into getting more suckers and workhorses for them hell no I'm done, forget these bitches and you know what this hurts to my soul I guess now I have a choice I can head towards the light or the darkness either path will be fine with me.

Come to think of it I know a few foreign women that come from different countries that do act different but once they've been there long enough they have no problem adapting to their environment. One great example is this girl who is half white, half thai all treacherous she is the epitome of ugly nature as far as women are concerned. Man reading this book has brought up memories and its making me angrier, this will take time to accept fully but will happen from here even I don't know.

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another thing is: women always complain that they have pressure to look good, but it's usually the man who pays for it not them, as I wrote here:


I say let them keep hollering that old cop out tactic, I no longer give a fuck they don't have to worry about me at all

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But it's good that you know all this because now you can focus on yourself and your goals.


I have all the patience in the world now I don't want anything else but to achieve these goals its all I intend to do now, if I'm anything more than angry it will be the cause of sadness and grief to have to find out this way.

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*Also remember that there are some good women around. They might be rare but they do exists. The rare good women will not be after your money but more your values and your personality.* ;)


You can believe that if you want :lol: , its too late for me :evil: I will spend the rest of my life in doing what I like in solitude I don't want the company of anyone right now. :|

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Sniper, get off this 3rd world shit...those women just haven't been put in the right environment to bring it out of them. When I was overseas, I watched otherwise average looking, faithfully married women become drunk with power of realizing that the environment they were in made them goddesses for a year. Women are women...PERIOD.


This is exactly what I was talking about Sniper just more proof that I want nothing else to do with a woman and being around other men who are still plugged into the matrix isn't making it better so once I'm better off for myself I will cut myself off from society for awhile, I need the break to reflect on everything I have absorbed here and its many resources.

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Resonance...you have just passed out after Morpheus' coppertop speech. Rest up, have some gruel, and refocus. Use that sexual energy to learn Kung Fu


What does coppertop mean ? And actually I'm looking into an academy so I can start doing that as a hobby for when I'm not at work, but I have a feeling that the kung fu you are speaking about is not of the literal sense correct ? Just show me the way Kidd I'm ready, by the way I had to step down from my promotion I have other stresses to worry about so maybe one day I can meet you in person.

I have a new philosophy in life to add to what is current right now I will simplify for all to understand: it goes something like this:



HARD WORK and ENTHUSIASM


my goal to see you by the end of the year or at least skype which ever comes first.....

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Hey guys I can relate. After reading that book and observing most of my friends' relationships it is just so obvious. It's hard not to get mad, but I guess the anger stirs from having felt deceived or conned.


THIS :!:

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After accepting reality for what it is, now it's time to forgive. It doesn't make sense to be a bitter angry and resentful person over something you can't control.


Diego you may be right but for some reason I just can't get over it right now when I see a woman now all I have is nothing but hatred boiling inside, I don't even know if I can forgive but you are correct no point in being resentful forever it will cause more harm than good for myself more than anything anyway, No point suffering anymore I guess I will let it go but that will take time I know it will, I have nothing to lose from this I want nothing more than a peace of mind right now all I have is a storm of emotions raging in me and I don't know how to express right now other than here everyone else will just think I'm crazy.

This reminds me of a book I once read I believe called catcher in a rye good book it describes a very similar experience to what we are going through here just things keep popping up in my mind that reminds me that of what makes everything so relevant now.


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I also agree with Sniper there are good women out there, especially those who have good values and aren't out to use others for their own means. Now you know better not to get manipulated or sucked in that easily on facades.


Like I told Sniper you can believe that if you want :| its too late for me :evil: but I also wanted to know what my purpose for living is as well as the truths to the world we live in so I basically did ask for this but it doesn't matter now I do what I want from his point. :twisted:

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Turns out, that most of his group of friends, about 6-7 dudes got married within 2 years after college. I met the girls they married and they were loving, warm and had good values. They certainly weren't out for money or good looks, and strictly operated on their own set of Christian standards of value.


Just because it looks good from your perspective doesn't make it so.... :|

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Resonance: Bravo on making this step... As Kidd said, rest up, give yourself some time.. The side effects of the pill will pass.. Then you will see the world with new eyes..
Sounds like you already are, give your vision time to adjust, it will be a jolt to start with. You may throw up and pass out a few times, this will pass.

Really, Bravo Resonance, Bravo


This means a lot coming from you Grinus and to the rest of you thanks for the support its much appreciated :geek:

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@Resonance

you also mentioned Playboy. For years women are complaining that playboy is a disgrace for women, haha guess what?
the chairman and chief executive officer of Playboy Enterprises is a woman (the daughter of Hugh Hefner).

Christie Ann Hefner:
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feminists like to bash men but don't seem to bash a woman that is running Playboy- at least not as much as they bash men.

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I know too well these storms of rage as I'm still feeling them but you will be able to use this to aid you in your transformation.

What I'm going through right now with this girl is a struggle to take a leap of faith and opening myself up to a positive experience, it's especially difficult now knowing the ugly truth but there is some genuinely good stuff to be experienced out there dude, you just have to recognize they're temporary (and in most cases fickle) and stay on your path.

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Resonance, everything will make a lot more sense soon enough. I remember vividly when I was where you currently are. It was a cold, desolate place of no hope. Difference is...I didn't have a support group...just my cousin, who luckily was my 'Student 0'. Look at it this way...I currently have a wonderful keeper who, while not perfect, is trying her darndest to become my everything. The key is that once the shock and anger subsides, like Neo, you will instead focus on being amazing within The Matrix...and learn to reverse the game on women to get them on YOUR terms. :geek:

Its a whole different way of dealing with them that will clash with your freshly violated core values...but once you make peace with that, the world will be your oyster. 8-)

Also don't forget...I am available for Skyping so PM if you feel the need. :ugeek:

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Resonance wrote:
when I see a woman now all I have is nothing but hatred boiling inside


I'm going to add a different dimension to this, because I myself went through this about two years ago.

What I discovered was that some (I'm going to say large quantities of) women find this quite attractive. You will notice that there will be women surrounding you, almost as if trying to convince you of their worthiness. It's actually quite challenging to be able to articulate to them how worthless they are and how irrelevant they are to live a good life in an intellectual way.

They will protest, in every way that they can, to prove their worth to you.

However, I also agree that maintaining this hatred is detrimental to your health. Though it does "work".

I have said this before; there are many ways this game can be played. Choose who you want to be, then play.

Take your time to decide who you want to be Resonance.

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Scarf wrote:
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What I discovered was that some (I'm going to say large quantities of) women find this quite attractive. You will notice that there will be women surrounding you, almost as if trying to convince you of their worthiness. It's actually quite challenging to be able to articulate to them how worthless they are and how irrelevant they are to live a good life in an intellectual way.




i'm kinda agree with you, i looked at them as worthless trash and they stare at me with smiles wich made me feel disgust. i don't feel that way anymore


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rant wrote:
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What I discovered was that some (I'm going to say large quantities of) women find this quite attractive. You will notice that there will be women surrounding you, almost as if trying to convince you of their worthiness. It's actually quite challenging to be able to articulate to them how worthless they are and how irrelevant they are to live a good life in an intellectual way.




i'm kinda agree with you, i looked at them as worthless trash and they stare at me with smiles wich made me feel disgust. i don't feel that way anymore


And now how do you feel towards them displaying the same behaviors to you?

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Dali wrote:

And now how do you feel towards them displaying the same behaviors to you?

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indifferent, i still found some issues but is not a big deal


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you also mentioned Playboy. For years women are complaining that playboy is a disgrace for women, haha guess what?
the chairman and chief executive officer of Playboy Enterprises is a woman (the daughter of Hugh Hefner).


Don't get me started with this guy he is the most symp of all, He advertises to the whole world about his business of how his wife broke his heart, I really didn't pay much attention to it then because I sure didn't want to hear his sob story of why she did what she did, but this is before I read the book but even then I knew what she was after but not in the way I figured after I read that book. He should have figured out for himself the only reason she was there in the first place, Marquee Value in full effect anybody could have seen that, why else would a young attractive thing like that would marry a man that almost has his foot in the grave, I mean come on has he never asked himself that question.

Love... :roll: Right love indeed that was basically easy street for her right there now that she is probably divorced by now she is looking for another sucker to keep the ball rolling, and yeah as for his daughter I've seen that as well I wasn't surprised by that at all Sniper.

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I know too well these storms of rage as I'm still feeling them but you will be able to use this to aid you in your transformation.


Oh don't worry about that I will do just that I have my own shit to worry about, I'm not saving them Hugh Hefner and my experiences in the past are proof enough that the pain isn't worth it.

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What I'm going through right now with this girl is a struggle to take a leap of faith and opening myself up to a positive experience, it's especially difficult now knowing the ugly truth but there is some genuinely good stuff to be experienced out there dude, you just have to recognize they're temporary (and in most cases fickle) and stay on your path.


Hey if what you say holds true I can't blame you because like I said I can't look at women the same way ever again, I believe there is some good stuff to experience Alchemist you have come far on your journey congratulations to you I'm glad you were able to make it past my point. I feel like right now I have hit a point of no return and I won't escape this but I have no problem with that I will embrace this fully at least when I'm not work, the only thing I won't experience is with women I'm so over that now even as I type this I feel this hate in my heart, but I suppose it isn't completely their fault they are like us trapped in the matrix as well, they are conditioned like we have been conditioned just as susceptible to the same folly as man.

Alchemist nothing in this world lasts once I comprehended that from the power of now book, and other things I have read anything worthwhile will be for the longer term with better benefits but it won't be forever I get that. I have found my path and its decided I'm going with hatred, fuck it along with hard work and enthusiasm as my philosophy live fast and die young will be apart of that. :twisted:

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Resonance, everything will make a lot more sense soon enough.


Is there something I'm still missing ? It seems pretty clear to me right now I feel there is no escape from this prison except death, First religion, then politics, now women it seems nothing is sacred this rabbit hole we are in there seems to be no bottom in sight.

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t was a cold, desolate place of no hope. Difference is...I didn't have a support group...just my cousin, who luckily was my 'Student 0'.


I feel just like you then outside from here I know of no one that will support my mindset they will consider me crazy I don't know if I can turn to anyone to get this off my chest I need to take some aggression out.

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Look at it this way...I currently have a wonderful keeper who, while not perfect, is trying her darndest to become my everything


So even you still have hope but only for the ones truly ready I guess, again I don't know if I can ever let a woman even get within arms distance from me because this will always sit back in my subconcious every time I talk to any of them.

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The key is that once the shock and anger subsides, like Neo, you will instead focus on being amazing within The Matrix...and learn to reverse the game on women to get them on YOUR terms.


That is what I'm working on right now first my money needs to get up

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Its a whole different way of dealing with them that will clash with your freshly violated core values...but once you make peace with that, the world will be your oyster. 8-)


I don't know if I can ever make peace with this it seems impossible anyway that skyping I will be getting in touch A.S.A.P.

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I'm going to add a different dimension to this, because I myself went through this about two years ago.

What I discovered was that some (I'm going to say large quantities of) women find this quite attractive. You will notice that there will be women surrounding you, almost as if trying to convince you of their worthiness. It's actually quite challenging to be able to articulate to them how worthless they are and how irrelevant they are to live a good life in an intellectual way.

They will protest, in every way that they can, to prove their worth to you.


This is the crazy part I actually noticed a lot of women staring at me today and I wasn't really even trying to look it just jumped out at me women getting close to me saying hi. I say hi to be polite and do my job of course but really I'm like I hate you bitch in every possible way like I want nothing to do with them its almost like they could sense it.

Nothing overt yet but I definitely noticed a different response this time around why now of all times I want nothing to do with them at all the universe is playing with me now, 'm just like can't you see I hate you from the bottom of heart.

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However, I also agree that maintaining this hatred is detrimental to your health. Though it does "work".

I have said this before; there are many ways this game can be played. Choose who you want to be, then play.

Take your time to decide who you want to be Resonance.


Agreed, but like I told Alchemist I decided on the path of hatred and a new philosophy of live fast and die young along with enthusiasm and hard work so if I die because of it I am fully prepared to accept this destiny. Scarf your words are wise almost the same as peregrinus your words have similar affect on me like his because he makes you think in differently but its decided I will stay this path and put my resolve fully into this I will learn everything that get these bitches hot and bothered and make them suffer like they made me suffer.

Kidd you once said don't punish the majority for the sins of a few but right now I don't see why not considering that ultimately this is what they had coming to them they all think the same way we slave for them and what do we get "carefully inserted praise and sex as a reward"

I am no damn dog to be trained and be treated any kind of way, and I am no fine workhorse I am human, a man that deserves much more for the B.S. I put up with, it ends today. :twisted:

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And now how do you feel towards them displaying the same behaviors to you?

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indifferent, i still found some issues but is not a big deal

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when i saw the matrix i teared twice in front of people and girls

then the loneliness was so big that i wanted to die, as you say it looked like no escape and there is no escape


you made me remind that prosces i decided to not talk about it becasue i felt that it will make me released something that is mine.


there were moments when i felt like passing out, i wanted help but no one would understand, i wanted to scream but i decided to keep it to me.

there were moments of pain in my head so big, then pain in my back(it was never in the rigth place), then i started to let go

i don't know what else to tell you

this will pass and it's not the end you won't die.


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when i saw the matrix i teared twice in front of people and girls

then the loneliness was so big that i wanted to die, as you say it looked like no escape and there is no escape


you made me remind that prosces i decided to not talk about it becasue i felt that it will make me released something that is mine.


there were moments when i felt like passing out, i wanted help but no one would understand, i wanted to scream but i decided to keep it to me.

there were moments of pain in my head so big, then pain in my back(it was never in the rigth place), then i started to let go

i don't know what else to tell you

this will pass and it's not the end you won't die.


Hence I am not the only one that feels this way.
The same feelings you guys share have arised in me in the past. Now I can LET GO, and that's the fun part. 8-)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:24 am 
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Yes...all of you...this is just a natural part of the process. There are some very hard truths that you MUST accept...but once you do, then things become REALLY interesting indeed. 8-)

rant...I'm curious as to which two parts of The Matrix made you tear up and why?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:07 am 
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Resonance I too took the path of the Villain ( The hate was and sometimes still is a wonderful feeling) but after I while I leveled out. it will subside.
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First religion, then politics, now women it seems nothing is sacred this rabbit hole we are in there seems to be no bottom in sight.

You will find that anything people have major interest in, after a while it becomes a tool to Manipulate the masses. even this mindset that we are building at the moment, this is the next level of evolution for men. there is going to come a time where someone is going to try and really use it for no good.

Breathe.
refresh.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:28 pm 
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If a girl tries to save you and convince you that she can free you and heal you from your pain, tread carefully. :twisted:

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