Natural Freedom

Ok, this is going to be one of those philosophical question again and might seem not relevant to some of the guys here, but it is for me. So here goes:

Rion used to say that the man should be the Stimulus and not the woman - and that's how it used to be....

Well, it's true that in the 1950's or 1960's there was no porn (or maybe there was but it was not so common or so accessible), there was no MTV or other TV stuff that showed women like sex objects, women didn't dress like 'hookers' back in those days.....
you get the point.

But men have always been turned on by tits and ass- it's biology...

so my question is:

- where the women also the Stimulus back in the 1950's and 1960's?
(I think they were, the only difference is: once they married a man they had to keep him because he was the main or often the only provider. And there was more taboo on divorce)

- what do you think about the whole: men should be the Stimulus thing?

- can we ever break free from not seeing a woman as the Stimulus?
(sure we can be more indifferent to rejection because we offer a lot of value, but I'm talking about a deeper level here....)

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Women always have been and forever will be the stimulus. That's just the way it is.

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so the only difference is: back in the 1950's\1960's once they married a man they had to keep him because he was the main or often the only provider. And there was more taboo on divorce
so therefore: men had more power over women after they already got them?

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hmmm, what would happen if I went to sauna with
strange women and my dick would get hard...? I´ve
not had that happen, just by watching tits or asses.

We have a different culture in here I guess, men
and women sometimes go to sauna together, women
usually wear towel around the torso but not necessarily.

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Pretty much...but nowadays with feminism and equal rights, men have to be much more savvy to keep a woman now...that system doesn't work anymore.

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Oops.

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EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING.

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*sigh* another one of Mr. Williams's theories just went down the toilet

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

I agree, but I think women being the stimulis is purely cultural. From an evolutionary standpoint women have a motherly instict and want children, men don't really care...so mating is really more important to the women. Although I hate to cite studies and examples from other species because it's mostly bullshit, but if you look at a female cat, they go into heat and then squel at the top of their fucking lungs for a male cat to come and give them the business. I think nature intended men to be the stimulis, but it got all fucked up.

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The honey doesn't chase the bee.

A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

Of course I am speaking in generalities. The truth, with a mindset like mine, you CAN be the stimulus. I stimulate women daily. It's just so rare and unusual that most women don't even really know how to react to it.

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They usually just get wet when that happens...lol If you had to give us your one main key subtext when dealing with women to explain your mindset, what would it be?

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The honey doesn't chase the bee.

A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

I KNOW that I'm the PRIZE. It really is that simple.

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Love it!! See that's the shit that people who want to be successfull with women need, they need the proper beliefs and subtexts, fuck all of this "Do this with your eyes, grab her hand like this, etc.." outer stuff, if someone could find out the beliefs of someone like yourself, just core ones like "This is how I feel/believe about myself "This is how I feel/believe about women" This is how I feel/believe about other guys" This is how I feel/believe about the world" - just the main core beliefs, and really internalize them and made the their own, all the outer shit would fall into place and they would have the same results.

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The honey doesn't chase the bee.

A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

Hello all,
good discussion going on here.
In my opinion, not at all. There are no rules or even logical reasons that say women are the natural stimulus. I see it this way: Women are much more emotional than men, which means they will do alot to get what pleases their emotions, much more than men do. This means, when it comes to emotional issues, women are weaker than men. Aslo, men want sex, but women NEED it. Try leaving a woman in the middle of having sex, and you'll know what i mean. You can also look at single women who are over 30-35 years old, and see how desperate most of them are for a relationship, unlike men. I'm not saying that it's right for men (or for me at least) to stay single, but at least men can do it, women can't, and that's the difference.

Since all women would prefer having a serious relationship on having a one night sex, and since all of them would do that to please and satisfy their emotions, and since we men are the only ones capable of giving them this satisfaction, this leads me to the one and only conclusion: men are the natural stimulus. Yes, we men also get stimulated by women, but women get stimulated by men much more. It's only because of our miserable social matrix that everything is upside down nowadays.

That's why i think what Rion Williams is 100% right in this point.

hmm, Barca has a good point

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Yeah, that's what goes on behind the scenes, but I'm not speaking from a behind the scenes perspective. Because the average Joe does NOT take the time to understand this, and still blindly chases pussy without stopping to realize that maybe the pussy already wants him...and since it is this 'average joe' who makes up most of the male population, then my point is still very valid indeed.

Average joes have been catering to these hoes and fucking the game up since the beginning of time, and will continue to do so. As long as this continues, women's ego's will continue to remain at max PSI and your point, as well as Rion's will continue to be invalid from a PRACTICAL standpoint.

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That's right, this is the case now, but i think this still doesn't mean that this was the case in the past and will be in the future, as Sniper asked in his question. There might be no real evidence that men were the stimulus before decades or centuries, but there is no evidence for women being the stimulus either. Plus, it's right that for every time or era there are "average Joes", and it's right that the average Joes make up the most of the male population, but how can you know if the average Joe of our time is the same as the average Joe decades or centuries ago? May be they were back then actually the stimulus? I can't see anything that can deny it. Average Joes get affected by their matrix you know, and the matrix back then wasn't the same as it is now.

Anyway, using logic, i think it's possible to guess how it was back then and who was the natural stimulus. In my opinion, attraction between men and women is a natural thing. Anything unnatural being tried or applied to achieve attraction, means there is something wrong. Animals who are lower species compared to humans, don't need anything for the attraction to take place, so why would we?
Let me ask you a simple question: When did concepts like seduction community and pick up arise? I can't say when exactly, but these concepts are new. I never heard or read that men decades or centuries ago used pick up to attract women. So why did these conecpts arise? It's simply because there was (is) something wrong, attraction didn't happen between men and women. So instead men started memorising lines and acts to attract women. Neither is this natural, nor does it really work.
And why was there something wrong? It's because of the social matrix and its pornification, in other words: it's because women were SHIFTED from being the response to being the stimulus. Decades ago women were never given the credit they are given now. And if women weren't given that credit back then (i.e. weren't the stimulus), then who was the stimulus? That's right , men were the stimulus, it's as simple as that. Back then, there were no problems in attraction (that's why no pick up or seduction community), and back then divorce rates were much more lower than they are now (which means both men and women were generally much more satisfied than now). To me, this means nothing but: men are and should be the natural stimulus. Any other way is unnatural and not right.

I quote a saying of Seneca, an ancient roman philosopher: "Living happy and living naturally is the same".

Let them, it does not mean I have to or will.

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I have met women who saw me as the stimulus, they do exist. In smaller numbers than the rest - I will give you that. They are not mythical in any sense.

Things do go far smoother that way.

I have also met women who thought they were the stimulus and over time it changed, only in relation to certain men. The rest of men were not.

Be that man that inspires them to act differently to how they usually do. Their instinct knows what to do, their programming fucks it up though.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

how do you accomplish this? by being the Prize? by showing them your Value? by showing them that you aren't need and that you could give a Fuck less if they Choose or not?

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very intresting replies
I think it's best if The Kidd and peregrinus answer this one, but I think the best way is just to not give a shit, not look for approval from girls, never laser focus too much attention on just one girl before you really know her.

Edit: all the courtship advise from the 1950's and 1960's don't apply so much in this day and age

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the thing is Sniper, I do know that I AM the shiznit! yeah I have faults, but who doesn't? I am at that place now where I know what I have to offer a disciplined and mentally stable woman.

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