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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:56 pm 
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Hooey. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:15 pm 
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Celibacy is Intimate Self Love
If it was then most guys around the seduction community would be so full of self love they would be ready to burst. They would also be a lot happier than they are.

Having tried Celibacy voluntarily many years ago, for an extended period of time. I have to concur with Kidd on his assessment of this concept.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:13 am 
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This reminds of a quote from Ben Affleck's character in 'Boiler Room':

'Those that say that money is the root of all evil don't have any.' :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:50 am 
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It's the same idea as tolle saying ego is bad, or Rion saying the social persona, and cultural adaptation is bad. In a sense it is part of our nature, to have an ego and to be part of a society even if we don't bend to it's wishes.

When you abstain from sex, the desire doesnt just go away. It's hardwired in there, even if your not consciously aware of it. It'll just go into your subconscious, but if your telling your subconscious you don't want to hear it it'll just stay in your shadow, and express itself through your actions.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:51 am 
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so this is about giving up to sex for life?

one thing is not being needy about sex but giving up to sex is nonsense


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:25 am 
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i see, i was thinking about rejecting a good oportunity with a hot girl to see what happen with myself, it is kinda the same rigth?, but those videos sound too much new age, and weird


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:35 am 
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thanks for explain but not my thing

i will follow a guy like this :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:55 am 
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When you're ready to come back to Earth, Spaceman...we will all be here waiting for you. 8-)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:55 am 
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Spaceman, i applaud your interest! Until now you are the only one who looks at the subject of sex the same way i do. Sex (and everything that has anything to do with it) is in my opinion very impure for the soul and mind. The sex and women obsession that most of us have these days will never lead to peacefulness and purity, thus will never lead to happiness. A couple of weeks ago i posted about the same subject, where i said that sex isn't a must, and that for us to be happy (or at least happier) we should stop thinking about sex.

That's why i by the way believe in Natural Grounding. Apart from the fact that it works with women or not, it is a very good method to retain your emotions and be as far as possible from the impure world of sex, in other words a very good method to reach or be in celibacy.

Thanks for a great post my friend. I would be happy to read more of your thoughts about this subject.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:12 am 
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well, the thing that helped me get over my sex obsession is when I accepted the fact that sex is a natural thing men want and I don't try to repress it. I don't think anyone here has a sex obsession otherwise we would all be like the PUAs who are going out every night trying to pull tricks on women to get sex from them.

The PUA industry has obsession for sex in my opinion.

@Barca
as far as natural grounding, for me it didn't stop the sex obession I used to have. but you and other people said that it helped them to get off porn or sex obssion so that's great.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:48 pm 
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spaceman wrote:
Did you abstain from all sexual stimulation or just sexual stimulation with a partner?

I would change your sentence from stimulation to activity. I recieved some visual and aural stimulation during the period (hard to avoid while living a life), I did not act on it though.

Abstained from ALL sexual activity.

No playing with my pecker, anyone else playing with it or any sexual activity at all.
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Did you not notice any benefits from the time you practiced it?

Some benefits and some losses.

For about the first one/two months my energy levels went through the floor. I was really low energy during that time. Also during this time some spontaneous erections, these died down with time.

My energy levels then picked up, it happened again later on as well though, cyclic. I did have periods of reasonable energy levels however i sort of levelled out, less up and down than before. I was a lot calmer in myself, it was a different energy.

My QiGong practice also undertook quantum levels of advancement during this time, especially moving around the orbit and my skin sensitivity improved a lot all over my body.

My meditation practice took leaps forward in this time, not sure if connected, it seemed to be.

Women could tell. They really could. It was like they could sniff it out.
They could see I was not gay, I was a sexual man however I was not trying to sleep with them and would actively turn them down when they 'subtly' suggested situations which would result in it happening.
I would flat out tell them 'I am celibate', while at the same time appreciating them for what they were and noticing what sexual beings they were. This confused them a lot.

They also saw it as a real challenge to try and get me to break my aggreement with myself.
(They would be the 'one' to make me give up celibacy, when others had failed)

About the six/seven month period my sexual desire died. REALLY DIED! it was like a light had been snuffed out.

I could appreciate beauty in women and attractive women, not on a sexual level, on a pure beauty level. Also at this time a lot of the 'good looking' (according to friends) women really REPULSED ME! - I could see past that, inside of them and what I saw was not pretty at all.

It also magnified my thoughts about all women being little girls inside.. Constantly playing and testing. Made me look at them more deeply, below the surface.

I also saw men a lot more clearly and the interactions between the two sexes.

I had a few women who were trying to tempt me into breaking my agreement, the more I stuck to my guns, not in a stick feet in sand but a calm 'i have decided to do this' - the more they respected me, whilst at the same time getting fustrated, which they absolutely loved.
Right up to coming round to my place and parading naked in front of me, I could appreciate their form and beauty but found myself strangely disconnected from wanting to have sex with them, they were playing and tempting and teasing and enjoyed it. I enjoyed watching this, possibly more than jumping their bones.

One day I woke up and thought 'I have had enough of this,I have learned what I wanted to, it has been long enough' - it was another few months later before I found someone who I wanted to take to bed. It was not a case of rushing back into it.

It did leave me knowing that I can live without sex and women. It will not harm me at all to never be with another woman as long as I live. This also means I can calmly walk away from any woman that chooses to play games with me. They are losing far more than I am, they are still attached to it, I am not.

spaceman wrote:
And what was your reason for practicing celibacy?

I wanted to try it, for the experience. Having been a sexual man, the contrast intrigued me.
I had been reading far eastern philosophy about it and had tired of 'mechanical sex' and had tasted good sex, none was around at that time, so decided then was the time.

I also had very few free evenings because of other things I was doing and decided that relaxing and enjoying myself was far more important that getting tied up with some woman who would make demands on my time that I was not willing to keep.

This was one way to keep that from happening, while at the same time allowing me to enjoy women on a non sexual level. I spent time around women, I did not indulge in sex, nor did I run away from them and avoid them.

There was no resistance or fighting with myself, or denying myself. It was a choice I freely made.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:20 pm 
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Maybe I had missed it 'Grinus...but how long did you do this for?

I was sort of forced into celibacy for about a year when I was stationed overseas due to my environment...and I experienced a lot of the things you mentioned, 'Grinus. Til this day I have no problem saying no to sex or dealing accordingly with any woman that attempts to use sex as a weapon with me.

I saw my ex last night...she had told me that since I am now seeing other people she doesn't want to complicate things by us having sex...I just laughed and said whatever helps you sleep better at night. We had a quiet moment at my home and we made out for a bit...I kept it light and never went for the 'goodies'. ;)

Later that evening as we were waiting to be seated for dinner, we were given the vibrating thing that lets you know your table is available. So when it went off, I jokingly put it on her crouch. She playfully socked my arm and said, "I told you no."

Me: No what?

Her: That we're not having sex.

Me: Of course we're not having sex...we're in the middle of a restaurant.

Anyhoo, it was obvious that she was attempting to bait me into contract renegotiation, and I was cool on that. She doesn't realize it yet, but she is only hurting herself...like the kid who 'showed his parents who was boss' by going to bed without dinner...guess who woke up in the middle of the night hungry as fuck? Not the parents, that's for sure! :lol:

The evening ended with a peck on the lips. I didn't masturbate or anything...just went to bed. 8-)

It is truly a wonderful feeling NOT to NEED to have sex...of course I immensely enjoy rocking a woman's world, but I definitely don't feel the need to run out and make it happen.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:39 pm 
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The Kidd!! wrote:
Maybe I had missed it 'Grinus...but how long did you do this for?

Just shy of 3 years when I decided it was time.

Over 2.5 years, under 3 years, cannot remember exactly. I do remember a meal from the 2.5 year mark though, female friend took me out to celebrate that I had made it that far. She had seen it as a challenge I had set myself, she was far from the truth. Silly girl :)

Given the period till when I fucked though, it was over 3 years in total.
(another meal)

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peregrinus wrote:
I could appreciate beauty in women and attractive women, not on a sexual level, on a pure beauty level. Also at this time a lot of the 'good looking' (according to friends) women really REPULSED ME! - I could see past that, inside of them and what I saw was not pretty at all.

It also magnified my thoughts about all women being little girls inside.. Constantly playing and testing. Made me look at them more deeply, below the surface.

I also saw men a lot more clearly and the interactions between the two sexes.

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this is what i felt with natural grounding


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:59 pm 
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i think this post is turning intersting

in society is someone ask, when were tha last time you hace sex if you say a year ago,people say oh shit man how can you live, so this is a believe in society that push men into looking for sex as somehting to prove themselves as a man


i fall in the past with those beliefs, and becasue women want sex more than we do i pushed myself to be a sex machine, that sex is a must, now i'm relaxed about that subjet but sometimes it comes out when a women show me interest i feel like i have to have sex with her even if she is not really my type, and it's not becasue i really want to doit but becasue i feel i have to prove that i am the man that society said( looking for the aproval from women and men), my firends for exampkle will sleep with almost any girl, i rejected a girl becasue i don't like her and i heard the comments, are you gay? tell us why you did'tn sleep with her? i said becasue i don't like her , so it's like barca says, to most men sex is a must, if not you are gay or something


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in society is someone ask, when were tha last time you hace sex if you say a year ago,people say oh shit man how can you live, so this is a believe in society that push men into looking for sex as somehting to prove themselves as a man


Or if you say never the look on their face is like :shock:, I remember telling this to a friend of mine a couple years ago and he took me to a bar and frantically pulled some lines to try and get me laid and he was like "ok I'm gonna find a girl for you, pick one" etc., that's why I avoid the subject because nearly everyone around me makes fun of this shit and noone knows, if they did I'd have to deal with all kinds of rumors, it's fucked how something so trivial has been taken out of proportion.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:59 am 
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spaceman wrote:
Thanks for sharing that peregrinus. What you said about your qi gong and meditation practices and thinking clearer seems to coincide with what is said in the videos I linked to. Experience is the best teacher, so I've decided to practice celibacy myself and see what I learn from it.


I wish you the best for your journey.

You will find it interesting and enlightening.

Remember Celibacy does not mean keeping away from women. So your other experiments can continue while you practice it :)

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I like the idea of these videos so far I may give this a try

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:17 pm 
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i like the approach of peregrinus, but i don't trust soft spoken guys like in the video

i'm used to reject girs but becasue they are not my type, when there is a girl i like, i feel that i have to do her, incounsciunly i don't what to lose the oportunity, so after all, i'm not that free in the way i want, so we can find somehting usefull about celibacy in the way peregrinus say

to me this is the moment when all the pieces fit toghether, if celibacy helps good, there is a different path to everyone, and whe chose what suits us better

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You basically become dependent on yourself for emotional support...you are no longer needy, or attention/approval seeking because you yourself is all the approval you need. There is a difference between liking/appreciating human interaction and NEEDING it...I no longer NEED it because I've gotten used to being my own best friend. 8-)

Once you get to this point, you will no longer ACT like you don't give a fuck...because you truly WON'T. That's when life becomes VERY interesting inDEED. 8-)


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...normally one dies of starvation, if no woman at home
cooking for him...

How did they survive? :shock:

High Maintenance.

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