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Author: | Midas [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Stephen Jourdain |
I can not understand, but i feel he is right. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOWnWJ5Ysc http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bYu5hcK4DtQ http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4OdxlL1jWwY http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qs7hyW40dqc http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yESuk0dTEZo http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=is2M46mwk6I http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ8tAQ4Yx3g http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_5tAuE46fQ http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcLaDUk64Kk http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zeGRD2qV3Lo |
Author: | Flow83 [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain |
He is one of the heaviest, and most articulate guys on the subject you can find. Can not ever truly by understood by the mind. Imagine describing "blue" to someone who was born blind, it's outside the mind's frame of reference, but the part of you that knows it is true can guide you to where you recognize what he is saying. Once it is seen, it suddenly all makes "sense." |
Author: | Dali [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain |
You could say he is "one who knows" He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often. |
Author: | Jared [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:30 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |
You could say he is "one who knows"
footnote He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. >>> I am, therefore, I think. LoC 480. >>> I think, therefore I am. LoC 400. Levels of Consciousness. Both statements are on the level of Reason. |
Author: | Dali [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:45 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | ||
You could say he is "one who knows"
footnote He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. >>> I am, therefore, I think. LoC 480. >>> I think, therefore I am. LoC 400. Levels of Consciousness. Both statements are on the level of Reason. Thanks. |
Author: | Flow83 [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:22 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |
You could say he is "one who knows"
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear. He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often. BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare! |
Author: | Dali [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:44 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | ||
You could say he is "one who knows"
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear. He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often. BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare! I like this. But I guess he had to be actively thinking about this strange fucking thing, called "truth". Ego (mind/identity) cannot comprehend the truth of it because they cannot co-exist (Truth and ego). Also, how can you know this kind of cases are this rare? To the extent I've read, this is more like a very random thing to happen to, pun intended a "particular" person . |
Author: | Flow83 [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:21 am ] | |||
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |||
You could say he is "one who knows"
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear. He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often. BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare! I like this. But I guess he had to be actively thinking about this strange fucking thing, called "truth". Ego (mind/identity) cannot comprehend the truth of it because they cannot co-exist (Truth and ego). Also, how can you know this kind of cases are this rare? To the extent I've read, this is more like a very random thing to happen to, pun intended a "particular" person . I also am referring though to his ability to articulate the stuff so clearly. Also, his ability to handle it an experience like that the way he did. He referred to keeping it like a small dimmer light because if he were to let it come out completely it would consume him. This shit sounds very abstract - but there are very real incidents of people having strong experiences of no-self, and getting killed by doing things like walking into traffic because they literally lose all sense of separation. It's hard to make analogies to it because it's not like an achievement that is merit based, or some thing you earn -- it's the truth, but the more common path is one of gradually breaking down of illusions and so on. Most people have to study for a dozen years to be able to even conceive of what mozart was doing at 4-5 years old, no explaining that. Buddha probably said it best, when someone asked him if he had attained: "I can't claim that I have attained, because I have attained" The funny part is that it IS random I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this: You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening. He is a good example to use too because notice that he wasn't just passively pondering some thought. He was focused on the paradox of that idea with such intensity that he was almost passing out from it. It was total, immersive, intense focus - using the mind to go beyond itself, this is zen, not reading nice book about 'i should quiet my mind' |
Author: | Jared [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:25 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |
The funny part is that it IS random
That is golden
I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this: You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening. |
Author: | Dali [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:30 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |
He had a full blown awakening as a teenager which was abiding and never re-identified. Complete annihilation of self in one instant. If you examine the trajectory from hundreds of years of accounts of people on the path, zen schools and so on these are an extremely small percentage. "The end of your world" by Adyashanti is a great book that accounts what more of the typical journey is as well as the traps along the way. "I got it, I lost it" being very common, and even that is rare among seekers on the whole.
@abot OP.:I also am referring though to his ability to articulate the stuff so clearly. Also, his ability to handle it an experience like that the way he did. He referred to keeping it like a small dimmer light because if he were to let it come out completely it would consume him. This shit sounds very abstract - but there are very real incidents of people having strong experiences of no-self, and getting killed by doing things like walking into traffic because they literally lose all sense of separation. It's hard to make analogies to it because it's not like an achievement that is merit based, or some thing you earn -- it's the truth, but the more common path is one of gradually breaking down of illusions and so on. Most people have to study for a dozen years to be able to even conceive of what mozart was doing at 4-5 years old, no explaining that. Buddha probably said it best, when someone asked him if he had attained: "I can't claim that I have attained, because I have attained" The funny part is that it IS random I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this: You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening. He is a good example to use too because notice that he wasn't just passively pondering some thought. He was focused on the paradox of that idea with such intensity that he was almost passing out from it. It was total, immersive, intense focus - using the mind to go beyond itself, this is zen, not reading nice book about 'i should quiet my mind' "It rings true, because it's true" ♣ Jed Mckenna. @Flow83: _Koan on Steroids 24/7, what a loony fucker. There's noone knocking and there's no door to knock, thus no co-relation. But is the only thing the mind could concieve. Remembered Jed words; It's infinitely black and it's infinitely big (talking about the truth). 16 years old from what I listened. Wonder how was his life after that GINORMOUS event at such young age. I guess this is the kind of people that could be consider to most population as a "full autistic" and in reality when we see them, we think they're absorbed in themselves but it's the total opposite, paradoxically speaking. [Pardon my slow read syntaxed expressions] Gonna absorb the full interview. I looped 4 times the first video... that OCD bugs me a lot too. |
Author: | fufe [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain |
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french |
Author: | GoldenBoy [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:45 pm ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas )Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them. BUT For english subs no need to do the job : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc |
Author: | Dali [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:24 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | ||
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas )Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them. BUT For english subs no need to do the job : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc |
Author: | GoldenBoy [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:15 pm ] | |||
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain | |||
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas )Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them. BUT For english subs no need to do the job : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc I was downloading other books by another guy at the same time so I mixed the two. Will read / watch what I have already before searching for anything else For english speakers : http://pankajdewan.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... -jourdain/ |
Author: | Midas [ Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stephen Jourdain |
..i feel also that is does not make any sense to follow this route. Its good to listen to him. I had similar feeling when i read the "manipulated man" You don't have to search what you already know. It is healthier and more helpful to listen to the wisdom of The Kidd!! and peregrinus -my view nice Sunday, Midas |
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