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 Post subject: Stephen Jourdain
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:20 pm 
I can not understand, but i feel he is right.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOWnWJ5Ysc
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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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He is one of the heaviest, and most articulate guys on the subject you can find.

Can not ever truly by understood by the mind. Imagine describing "blue" to someone who was born blind, it's outside the mind's frame of reference, but the part of you that knows it is true can guide you to where you recognize what he is saying. Once it is seen, it suddenly all makes "sense."

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Dali wrote:
You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes.
footnote

>>> I am, therefore, I think. LoC 480.
>>> I think, therefore I am. LoC 400.

Levels of Consciousness. Both statements are
on the level of Reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Jared wrote:
Dali wrote:
You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes.
footnote

>>> I am, therefore, I think. LoC 480.
>>> I think, therefore I am. LoC 400.

Levels of Consciousness. Both statements are
on the level of Reason.
David R. Hawkins LoC?
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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Dali wrote:
You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often.
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear.

BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare!

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Flow83 wrote:
Dali wrote:
You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often.
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear.

BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare!
WoW.

I like this. But I guess he had to be actively thinking about this strange fucking thing, called "truth".
Ego (mind/identity) cannot comprehend the truth of it because they cannot co-exist (Truth and ego).

Also, how can you know this kind of cases are this rare?
To the extent I've read, this is more like a very random thing to happen to, pun intended a "particular" person :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Dali wrote:
Flow83 wrote:
Dali wrote:
You could say he is "one who knows"
He mentioned the cogito ergo sum of Descartes. I'm working that bitch too, but I get flammed to often.
Rather than solving it, he wrestled with it until his mind basically cracked/collapsed, and suddenly what was beyond the mind became clear.

BTW, cases like his are extremely, extremely rare!
WoW.

I like this. But I guess he had to be actively thinking about this strange fucking thing, called "truth".
Ego (mind/identity) cannot comprehend the truth of it because they cannot co-exist (Truth and ego).

Also, how can you know this kind of cases are this rare?
To the extent I've read, this is more like a very random thing to happen to, pun intended a "particular" person :lol: .
He had a full blown awakening as a teenager which was abiding and never re-identified. Complete annihilation of self in one instant. If you examine the trajectory from hundreds of years of accounts of people on the path, zen schools and so on these are an extremely small percentage. "The end of your world" by Adyashanti is a great book that accounts what more of the typical journey is as well as the traps along the way. "I got it, I lost it" being very common, and even that is rare among seekers on the whole.

I also am referring though to his ability to articulate the stuff so clearly. Also, his ability to handle it an experience like that the way he did. He referred to keeping it like a small dimmer light because if he were to let it come out completely it would consume him. This shit sounds very abstract - but there are very real incidents of people having strong experiences of no-self, and getting killed by doing things like walking into traffic because they literally lose all sense of separation.

It's hard to make analogies to it because it's not like an achievement that is merit based, or some thing you earn -- it's the truth, but the more common path is one of gradually breaking down of illusions and so on. Most people have to study for a dozen years to be able to even conceive of what mozart was doing at 4-5 years old, no explaining that.

Buddha probably said it best, when someone asked him if he had attained: "I can't claim that I have attained, because I have attained"

The funny part is that it IS random :lol:

I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this:

You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening.

He is a good example to use too because notice that he wasn't just passively pondering some thought. He was focused on the paradox of that idea with such intensity that he was almost passing out from it. It was total, immersive, intense focus - using the mind to go beyond itself, this is zen, not reading nice book about 'i should quiet my mind' :)

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Flow83 wrote:
The funny part is that it IS random :lol:

I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this:

You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening.
That is golden

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Flow83 wrote:
He had a full blown awakening as a teenager which was abiding and never re-identified. Complete annihilation of self in one instant. If you examine the trajectory from hundreds of years of accounts of people on the path, zen schools and so on these are an extremely small percentage. "The end of your world" by Adyashanti is a great book that accounts what more of the typical journey is as well as the traps along the way. "I got it, I lost it" being very common, and even that is rare among seekers on the whole.

I also am referring though to his ability to articulate the stuff so clearly. Also, his ability to handle it an experience like that the way he did. He referred to keeping it like a small dimmer light because if he were to let it come out completely it would consume him. This shit sounds very abstract - but there are very real incidents of people having strong experiences of no-self, and getting killed by doing things like walking into traffic because they literally lose all sense of separation.

It's hard to make analogies to it because it's not like an achievement that is merit based, or some thing you earn -- it's the truth, but the more common path is one of gradually breaking down of illusions and so on. Most people have to study for a dozen years to be able to even conceive of what mozart was doing at 4-5 years old, no explaining that.

Buddha probably said it best, when someone asked him if he had attained: "I can't claim that I have attained, because I have attained"

The funny part is that it IS random :lol:

I believe it was Jourdain who gave an analogy like this:

You can't make the door open, but if you are there knocking on it, you have a better chance of going through it. So you continue knocking, knowing full well that there is absolutely no causal relationship between your knocking and the door opening.

He is a good example to use too because notice that he wasn't just passively pondering some thought. He was focused on the paradox of that idea with such intensity that he was almost passing out from it. It was total, immersive, intense focus - using the mind to go beyond itself, this is zen, not reading nice book about 'i should quiet my mind' :)
@abot OP.:
"It rings true, because it's true"
♣ Jed Mckenna.

@Flow83:
_Koan on Steroids 24/7, what a loony fucker. 8-)

There's noone knocking and there's no door to knock, thus no co-relation. But is the only thing the mind could concieve. Remembered Jed words; It's infinitely black and it's infinitely big (talking about the truth).

16 years old from what I listened. Wonder how was his life after that GINORMOUS event at such young age. I guess this is the kind of people that could be consider to most population as a "full autistic" and in reality when we see them, we think they're absorbed in themselves but it's the total opposite, paradoxically speaking. [Pardon my slow read syntaxed expressions]

Gonna absorb the full interview. I looped 4 times the first video... that OCD bugs me a lot too.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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fufe wrote:
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french :lol:
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas :mrgreen: )

Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them.

BUT For english subs no need to do the job :mrgreen: : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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GoldenBoy wrote:
fufe wrote:
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french :lol:
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas :mrgreen: )

Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them.

BUT For english subs no need to do the job :mrgreen: : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc
You have his books in french?

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
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Dali wrote:
GoldenBoy wrote:
fufe wrote:
Since this guy is a frenchman, I can't wait for goldenballs to make some subtitles for one of his interviews in french :lol:
Dammit, I'm spotted, must be my smelly armpits (according to Atlas of Prejudice USA version <- Midas :mrgreen: )

Did download today his two books and two interviews in french, will see and come back to comment when I do read and watch them.

BUT For english subs no need to do the job :mrgreen: : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... cc&lclk=cc
You have his books in french?
Well, by looking more closely, I have several pdf documents on him, and a 42 pages book "Cette Vie m'aime" (This life loves me).
I was downloading other books by another guy at the same time so I mixed the two.

Will read / watch what I have already before searching for anything else

For english speakers :
http://pankajdewan.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... -jourdain/

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Jourdain
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:41 pm 
..i feel also that is does not make any sense to follow this route. Its good to listen to him. I had similar feeling when i read the "manipulated man"
You don't have to search what you already know.
It is healthier and more helpful to listen to the wisdom of The Kidd!! and peregrinus -my view

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