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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:40 am 
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Wow, this is a great video. A logical analysis of consciousness and deep topics, highly recommended, it's 14 minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0--_R6x ... r_embedded#!

Everything time we think of a future event, we effectively create an alternate reality. We are the only species in the known universe that can do this.

"Time and space are the modes in which we think and not the conditions by which we live" Einstein

"Thoughts suffer from an optical illusion of consciousness" Einstein

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:39 am 
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Suffering ends when the ego ends. It´s impossible to experience
pain and pleasure from the body in a state of Satori, as there is
no one to whom the bodily sensations could be reported to.

The video is a description. (as much as this post is a description.)

That´s where the Science ends; we can describe a cat, but only
a cat knows what it is like to be a cat. We can observe and say that
the cat has a black tail, but a description is not the thing itself.

In the Ultimate Reality, nothing is as described.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:49 pm 
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Jared wrote:
Suffering ends when the ego ends. It´s impossible to experience
pain and pleasure from the body in a state of Satori, as there is
no one to whom the bodily sensations could be reported to.

The video is a description. (as much as this post is a description.)

That´s where the Science ends; we can describe a cat, but only
a cat knows what it is like to be a cat. We can observe and say that
the cat has a black tail, but a description is not the thing itself.

In the Ultimate Reality, nothing is as described.
whould you say that describing reality is an attempt to not being alone?

what about art?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:23 am 
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Describing reality, in the best case scenario, provides sign posts to the path of a truth to be experienced, but can't walk it for you:
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there is no one to whom the bodily sensations could be reported to.
There's no way you will ever truly know what the hell that means without experiencing it -- but him saying this could spark you to finding it out for yourself. It could be "understood" with a nice concept wrapped around it, you could have all the facts possible, but it would not be truly known. Thus the heart of the 'where science ends.'

Art is self expression through a medium of choice. It depends on what level you are speaking on, but it too can express one's internal experience- it may guide you to an experience yourself (which will be your own), just as in words and in fact words can be art. Still, they are not the experience itself.

Jared said it well. There's no inherent meaning/intention in describing reality. For you there is some connection between it and not being alone or you would not have voiced it. One could do so purely as an act of teaching/compassion, to inspire you to a direction, or for no reason at all. Nothing in your experience has meaning other than that which you give it.

You can learn everything about what an orange is made of, but you will never truly know what an orange tastes like unless you bite into it yourself. May not be able to bite the orange of being a cat, but things like direct experience in the absence of ego, true peace / indifference etc are ultimately oranges you have to eat to ever really know.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:49 pm 
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Truth doesn´t have to be taught, it is recognized.

Arts have the power to lift us into higher levels of
Consciousness.

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