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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:06 pm 
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some (at least 1 or more) are walking manipulators, and some (at least 1 or more) are genuinely good hearted human beings, and some (at least 1 or more) react poorly because of past traumas and hardships because they're human like you, and some (at least 1 or more) don't know to treat men because everything has been handed to them etc.

Do you see where I'm headed with this? There is a lot more gray than you think. All women aren't one thing or everything. They are human though and will be as self-interested as they care.

As you said, there are different type of women. You know, here is a thing and maybe, I could be wrong.
In other words "know women" is impossible but understand with who you are dealing with, is possible.
Now the question is: in what way is possible (and how much time it tooks) to understand the woman you are dealing with (before sex), so you can decide if you want to spend your time with her/having sex with her?


But at the same time why most of dating coach says treat women all the same? All women test, all women are liars?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:41 pm 
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PimpDee wrote:
In other words "know women" is impossible but understand with who you are dealing with, is possible.


"but understand with who you are dealing with, is possible." No........ GRAY

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in what way is possible (and how much time it tooks) to understand the woman
GRAY

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But at the same time why most of dating coach says treat women all the same? All women test, all women are liars?
Because......... GRAY


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Pardon me but I`ve passed through so much BS that I see them (most of) as walking liars, manipulators.
Then what are you trying to get out of them? What are you attracted to?

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I never thought in this way as women assisting me in emotional development.
Then what do you want? What are you attracted to?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:00 am 
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PimpDee, dating coaches are full of shit, you're better off distancing yourself from that stuff altogether.

There's plenty of material here to get you asking yourself better questions and getting deep.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:07 am 
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Alchemist wrote:
PimpDee, dating coaches are full of shit, you're better off distancing yourself from that stuff altogether.

There's plenty of material here to get you asking yourself better questions and getting deep.


^ Yep, complete shit. The answers are here, and free. You just have to search through the archives to find them.

I found it tough, there were times I didn't think I could do it. On the plus side, once you make it. You don't have to deal with these situations hardly ever and the negative emotion is basically non-existent.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:38 pm 
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The problem, let me put in this way even in so called gurus like Davidx to the dean, to corky skyy to wayne, wygant, is that from my point of view techniques and skills, right things to say or do...are too much "emphatized". The technique, the skill if she does that, I will do this or that instead, and as you logically see by yourself, naturally the woman is placed above than you...and I am glad that Ive come here because instead of memorize things, I will use brain and gut to make my move with a woman interested in me.

I`ve watched Hav Plenty and the guy fascinated me, because of his attitude towards anybody. If somebody treat him bad, he doesnt pay back, he doesnt seek vendetta...and quite frankly this is something I have to work on.

There is something that I didnt wrote it in this topic: when the girl of the topic didn`t show up at that time, I wrote to her goodbye, instead of being cool, like the guy from hav plenty would do. I was very pissed off and if she was a mirror of me, she did the same no contact attitude.
In fact, yesterday it was a terror attack there in Germany, for all german people reading i am really sorry for that you do not deserve this thing, so I broke the no contact thing asking via text if she is okay. The first thing she answered me was that she was sorry, she was so strong and angry with me, (then text back and for, describing what`s going on there and wishing xmas, thank you, thank you and other stuff...and she promise me will get in touch with me as my invitation when she have time to get in touch with me). If she will do or not, I don`t care because I discovered one thing.

What I discovered in these days is that most of the women I get attracted to/that are attracted to me, from all these years, has all a common thing. They are not nice, they were all met from bad situations/history. This is something that came in my mind after reading The Kidd work and I think 21st century space age pimping. The mirror theory, the attract your similar is true, and in some way scary...and If I don`t want to attract these type of women anymore I had to change mindset (and so my reaction) and do innerwork.

So this is what I have to write you, see you on Kidd`s corner.
Thank you very much and for all the German people here: I`m close to you in this sad situation.

Ciao,
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:03 pm 
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I am a professional bridge burner, if it wasnt for that tragedy, I wouldnt text her for sure.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:34 am 
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I love payback, I just don't dwell on it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:59 am 
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Altair wrote:
I love payback, I just don't dwell on it.

Payback from me or from her? Anyway I should not even type that text with goodbye and being pissed off (I am reading the gem post called "fuck it" and I kinda relate to the author), like a chump (if I am the value). Anyway, past is past. That HavPlenty movie, man, and Kidd s stuff is helpful.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:08 pm 
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Payback from me or from her? Anyway I should not even type that text with goodbye and being pissed off (I am reading the gem post called "fuck it" and I kinda relate to the author), like a chump (if I am the value). Anyway, past is past. That HavPlenty movie, man, and Kidd s stuff is helpful.


Very helpful indeed, worth reading his materials over and over, that's what I've had to do after my setback and it's clearer now.

You don't need to actively seek revenge, chicks like her will destroy themselves and if you keep Marquee Value in mind, ultimately she will be worse off in the long run.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:49 pm 
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Very helpful indeed, worth reading his materials over and over, that's what I've had to do after my setback and it's clearer now.

You don't need to actively seek revenge, chicks like her will destroy themselves and if you keep Marquee Value in mind, ultimately she will be worse off in the long run.

Thank you for the answer, think that now this chick is liking few pictures on my fb and write me wishes for xmas with a photo of her tree (wishes who i gently reply sweet and short). No contact from my side (unlike her), so I give her space and space for me. In my gut the only reason she is doing that she wants just my attention back.

Things that I did in this few weeks, are:
-Nofap from more than three weeks, I always told to myself to do not look for porn or erotic pics cause its for losers and its unhealthy...and In someway to get control of the thirst/dick control.
-When I walk I started to see signs of women "jocking", weird part is that some girls were with their boyfriend, one even kissed a boyfriend and looked at me after couple of times (positioning herself couple of meters from me but kinda in front of me).
-Still not know if when I walk to the streets not to look at anybody in the eyes aka eyecontact or avoid eyecontact (like seems to do pretty girls and some pretty foreigner girls that avoid eyecontact, and seem to look only to what is in front of them)...When I walk I have the tendency to look at anybody in the eyes (I dont know why).
-A couguar with a dog few days ago approached me when I was sitting on my favourite spot, she gave me that subconscious sign with her mouth (lick herself lips like you want to eat something delicious), she even present herself, we were shaking each other hands, (in that moment I was reading some post from this forum lol) she told her story but I refused to pursue asking about the personal info she was bringing up in her monologue cause I wasnt interested (even if she was dressed way better than me).
-Doing 6km walking everyday, no need to go to the gym and wonderful opportunity to take pictures and observe.
-Learning German with an old woman, she could be my grandmother, who even explain some "game" from her point of view even against her gender(this woman told me that in her younger age she brake hearts of very "healthy", money, power with hight status men...)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:06 am 
You turned down a cougar who was dressed better than you with the humility to approach you, but you continue to focus on a broke country hopping halfway decent woman looking for a handout?

You need to figure out your values.

I wouldn't do that, but then again I don't know the whole situation either.

Edit: not knowing your values was why she was able to lead you around in the first place.


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Slim Titan wrote:
You turned down a cougar who was dressed better than you with the humility to approach you, but you continue to focus on a broke country hopping halfway decent woman looking for a handout?

You need to figure out your values.

I wouldn't do that, but then again I don't know the whole situation either.

Edit: not knowing your values was why she was able to lead you around in the first place.

I turned her down because she was ugly even in fine dress, but even fine dresses don`t impress me.
What I am doing now is to just observe and listen my gut, look at the actions rather than words (like if I remember well, you suggested me few posts before) using Kidd s work, so I do not have to waste time and energy with people who are not truly interested in me, and figure it out why they don`t.

Anyway, the things I wrote happened to me these weeks, I see them as positive.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:38 pm 
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Quick updates fellas:
before the end of the year, we talked to each other, long conversation. She was trying to impress me with what she did, not with something positive like I am, I was chill and my words literally flow with calm, and when it camed with the reason of my saying goodbye and her passive-agressive reaction, I front blasted her with calm, explaining things from my point if view. She was silent and she agreed with me.
We are cool, actually I am cool but I felt in my gut she still in punishment mode.
I suggested one time her to do to do the lessons again, since we are cool...she still didnt reciprocate this, so, I didnt bring about it again. In the message she sended something cryptic phrase (later i will find out was a typical movie to see at the end of the year), so i replied that she has everyright as i am to go out with who she likes and if the things will ment to be, will find its way (basically I was giving space mentally for me).
Sent me wishes at late morning, I saied what i was doing nice that night, replied back that was very nice blablabla...so I asked the same and she didnt answer.
So I didnt contacted her at all.
She was sending couple of days later pictures of first snow there, I didnt reply.
She writed me again 4 days later, with another picture with snow and temperature...like she is a weatherman, asking how I am, I replyied few days later with "very good , thanks bye".
Day later sended me another picture, with the same how is the weather there, wishing me a wonderful day, I didnt reply.

Every her message, make me feel annoyed, bothered. I know she did it for attention, not for genuine interest.

I feel that I have to give space to all women, even if I met them everyday, some of them jocking, some of them gorgeous, staring at me, ect cause I feel apathy. Like I lost sexual drive.

Last night, I have a nightmare about this situation with this bitch, never dreamnt about it before, so seems that my subconscious was trying to communicate something...that was so real that when i woke up I tought if I was somekind of parallell universe experience.
In the nightmare I was re-live texting with her and shit...till find out a text of her basically about how she enjoyed a company now at the cinema with T after the new year eve, like she is lucky to have found him...kinda text of a girl who got feelings from a man...I dont remember the exact message. I remember that in the dream, I was angry like jealous...and that anger waked me up.
After this nightmare, I could literally see toughts flowing one by one, first one was of failure, that led to deeper an explain of my apathy to women. If a thought was a fish in a glass jar, full of water, I was the hand trying to catch that fish. Why of this apathy I tryied to catch, basically a reaction of being hurt a lot of times, my failed relationships, then...thoughts bringed me to what I was reading here, posts of Pindar, Jared and the kidd
and wanting to "pimp", every other question that popped up, finded immediately answer with a vision of a quote, words I red in this forum.

I know its weird but I cant explain it in a better way.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:09 am 
PimpDee wrote:

Last night, I have a nightmare about this situation with this bitch, never dreamnt about it before, so seems that my subconscious was trying to communicate something...that was so real that when i woke up I tought if I was somekind of parallell universe experience.
In the nightmare I was re-live texting with her and shit...till find out a text of her basically about how she enjoyed a company now at the cinema with T after the new year eve, like she is lucky to have found him...kinda text of a girl who got feelings from a man...I dont remember the exact message. I remember that in the dream, I was angry like jealous...and that anger waked me up.
After this nightmare, I could literally see toughts flowing one by one, first one was of failure, that led to deeper an explain of my apathy to women. If a thought was a fish in a glass jar, full of water, I was the hand trying to catch that fish. Why of this apathy I tryied to catch, basically a reaction of being hurt a lot of times, my failed relationships, then...thoughts bringed me to what I was reading here, posts of Pindar, Jared and the kidd
and wanting to "pimp", every other question that popped up, finded immediately answer with a vision of a quote, words I red in this forum.



Stop faking it. :|


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Quick updates and other things: last time she sent me a picture of where she was, wishing me a good day so at that evening, very politely, I asked her that I need her to do something for me (basically It was taking pictures of internet radios with prices, when she will go to take a walk for shopping...I asked that because I wanted to buy one for my father, because they are not available here were I am and the 90% of these are German). Taking pictures, Nothing complicated.
Maybe she could be nice to send it to me, after paying to her.
3 weeks passed, no message from her side.

Strange or evil...anyway. Something I can`t control: Cool, fine.

Funny part is that in her Facebook, it seems that I am upgraded in her rank position. Let me explain this: you know that you can hide posts, or you can post things that only closer people can see, right? Well it seems that this bitch, she just must did something cause I can see posts that before I couldnt see...even in the past months. I noticed that only because when you have messenger app, you have favourite contacts bar and you can see fb friends who have it installed or not, so the logos are different, and hers from the blue flash came to gray (I dont know actually if you can block people on messenger without blocking them in Facebook). So I saw her fb profile cause I thought she deleted me or something like that, and her last post was a message with link to a website/or song..whatever with a message in english saying "life is about sharing, thank you for showing me that". My gut says "she wanted you to see that".
In her old posts I saw her using expression that I only use when I talked to her, like she did at my birthday (nobody wishes a great thursday and "ask listen to the soul"). My gut says that and a female confirmed it me too, "she is saying that to you, without saying it to you".

So now she has the gift of missing me.

In these three weeks, I got a very bad flu for a week and of course she didnt write me if I was okay or not like instead few my friends did.

I finally finished to transcribe by hand the pimposophies and covert tactics, including the GB posts (so I can save the battery) and while I red it couple of times, I recognized many many mistakes that I did with her, because I was coming from a position of chasing (now that I am on the pimp path I can see them), not only, but I had many a-ha memories whitch I should checked the bitch, instead of ignoring...maybe the thing might be different then they are now.
So I dont know, If I ever make her act her properly or not, but i take all the bad and the good to the manila folder. I feel that, I could be wrong here, even the bad, aka bitchy actions, are considered signs of "subconscious" interest.

What I love about the teaching is that, you feel having some personal power back.
But on the other side, the sad part of the teachings, is that, the "infatuation" for any woman that you (because of her or environment situations) cant fuck that time you wanted is an illusion, even if you get her x months, years later, it`s not the "same" thing you feel right now.

During this month, I still have no bitch, but I opened many manila folders, some of them are with quite sheets, others maybe deleted and start again...but there are other things that I am focus now and more important than bitches. It is a subject for another topic.

Oh Boy, I realized that still having from the dating coach teachings, I have this weird sensation of not knowing, knowing jack shit, about anything...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:33 am 
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Wow, she sure is occupying your time, rather she is not

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Do you think that by studying Kidd's teachings and absorbing things here, and by applying them fully, that that will ensure her wanting you and giving you attention?

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Aragorn wrote:
Do you think that by studying Kidd's teachings and absorbing things here, and by applying them fully, that that will ensure her wanting you and giving you attention?

Not much, I would not bet 5€ on that. I just observe what is happening around me...and train my gut.
There is a lot of things who I still not embrace...I can comprehend logically but I do not believe or accept.
I had the opportunity to read a lot posts, take notes, even about friendzone cage-box, when I was ill, including pimp book from iceberg slim.
What I wrote was a note that I written two weeks ago (I learned to write my thoughts from time to time), just updated, and I could keep it for myself, but I shared for future reference and to other people to stop chasing and go to the pimp road.
When I re read the whole topic, I had few moments of "not believing it was me doing so and so", of shame.

She is not the only woman who I "deal" with, actually as I wrote, I have couple of manila folders and there is another one who will come to visit me next month.

Right now, Belive me, there are stuffs who influence my life so deep, that I question myself if what I am doing in my life is what I want, or is a result of "conditioning", things like moving to another country, what to do for my university, what to do when you feel stuck, stationary/still, why I feel mad, a constant unsatisfaction about me,...things far more important than women...but that`s a subject for another topic.

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PimpDee wrote:
Right now, Belive me, there are stuffs who influence my life so deep, that I question myself if what I am doing in my life is what I want, or is a result of "conditioning", things like moving to another country, what to do for my university, what to do when you feel stuck, stationary/still, why I feel mad, a constant unsatisfaction about me,...things far more important than women...but that`s a subject for another topic.


Au contraire, this is THE topic.

Continue.

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