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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:42 pm 
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someone posted a link to download a free seminar from Johny a while ago:

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=91

well, I started to watch that seminar and I got bored very fast so I didn't even finish video one.

But let's talk about Johnny Soporno and his 'success'. Johny is just a normal guy and his 'success' does not come from his game. Why do I put success in Quotes cause I wouldn't call what he has success.

This information was shared with me by one of the forum members after I asked him about
Johnny. So here goes:

Johnny Soporno gets laid for a simple reason: social dominance in his "social circle". He's a very influential guy in the porn industry. He helps porn stars get contracts plus he can connect with them because he's the same as them.

He has a porn star girlfriend and I don't call that 'success'.

I know very few guys out there who would want a porn star girlfriend (unless they are desperate). Most porn stars are average looking but have silicone implants which usually sucks but they're good enough for the average Joe with the "bigger is better" menthality.
But think about this: How many guys do you know who would want to taste some dude's cum when they kiss their girl or that 100 differnet guys are 'having sex' with their girlfriend while she is 'with them'.

Who wouldn't want his girlfriend to be capable of more than just having sex with strangers in front of a camera for money?

Ever since Mystery launched that fashion in the community pornstars became popular but still, I don't know of many guys who would want a porn star as a girlfriend.

Johnny also has something that his girl probably doesn't have: Intelligence. He's smarter than her.

More about Johny's social status:

He kind of has the same status as Zan, in the sense that guys are paying him money to learn how to pick up\seduce women. He has a lot of sexual experience due to working in the porn bizz (something that turns on some type of girls). He has a 'school for sex'- teaching women 'how to have sex' and he's fairly rich.

The thing is: his girlfriend is not only a porn star she is also an escort which is just a nice word for a prostitute. Johnny is her 'pimp'. He made her sales page and everything.

Now, after having sex with so many guys how selective is a 'porn star' really? She probably had sex with all types of guys on film. So the fact that she chose Johnny as her boyfriend makes him an alpha male who is good with women or a seduction Guru? :roll:

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I don't mean any disrespect for his girlfriend or her profession. If that's what she wants to do with her life, that's fine- it's her life. I just had to say all those things to make a point:
that Johnny is not a seduction Guru and doesn't have any 'game' that makes him successful with women. Paying money to learn from him is the same as trying to learn pick up from Hugh Hefner. :|

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:53 pm 
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Very good...your insight is improving. 8-)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:37 pm 
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I really like how you deconstruct the "gurus" of the seduction community. Its time to do that. But I doubt that this community will get less big in the next years, much rather the contrary. They promise everything, the so-called "magic pill" to success and the desperate guys get caught from this. And the chance is small that they find the real deal as long as there are hundreds of PUA's who try to sell their stuff. "I will teach you the best opener where no rejection is guaranteed" and ridiculous crap like that keeps the poor guys coming to them.

Like Brent said in one of his podcasts (Dave is the one interviewing Brent):

"Brent: This should never be a job. It should never
be stressful. That’s what I’m helping you guys avoid or else you’re
going to be some robotic machine out there standing on a corner
doing routines. It’s not a life you want. I guarantee you and most of
you know that.

Dave: Even if you can remember the whole 864 steps, it’s just a hassle. It’s
just a hassle. It led me into this: there’s a lot of stuff out there. What
you see from a lot of other things is there’s a set of rules—do this,
do this, don’t do that, don’t do that like this. I think what they’re
trying to do is trying to explain it’s like the long way of doing what
we’re teaching.

Brent: Yes, spending time on changing your mind about stuff isn’t sexy, so
that’s why people don’t sell it.


Dave: Right.

Brent: Right? Techniques are sexy because guys want instant gratification.
They go, “Oh, well, say this. Stand over there. Do this,” which
seemed like the short way but it’s the long way.

Dave: Right. What we’re saying is like, “Okay, this is how you should be,”
and as a result of being that you’re naturally going to do the right
things.

Brent: Yes, it will take care of itself. All the stuff on the outside will take
care of itself. I’m not saying that if have some annoying habits you
shouldn’t get rid of them. I’m just saying in most cases, if you are a
relaxed individual and a very confident individual, I don’t have to
tell you how to stand. I will never have to correct you, because it
will be natural.

You won’t need my guidance for that, anyone’s guidance for that.
You can throw all your books on body language away. It’s just a
band aid. You need to change who you are at the core, like I always
say, and then everything else will take care of itself and those other
little things that you might have to alter you can do that as you come
to them. For the most part, your biggest issues will be gone or be
handled, at least."


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:53 pm 
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I don't know Veg. I see the fall of the 'sedcution Gurus' in the next few years.
The community is much more mature now and there are many forums out there that expose the lies of the seduction community and teachers.

This Brent dude has great insights but he is also seen as a seduction Guru and charges outrageous amounts of money for his boot camps- and I don't like that at all....

Here is another lie\bluff:

These days he only coaches rich people.
Well I can take any rich dude, teach him some basic social skills (if he has self esteem issues I can also help him with that) and he can get easly laid.

He doesn't even need me - he can read some books or on the internet how to improve social skills or self esteem (if that's his problem) why pay Brent 10,000$ for that :|

Rich guys who have basic social skills and a healthy self esteem are all set

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:14 pm 
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I seem to be the defender of Brent in this forum, and I like that ;)

Brent is NOT a seduction guru and he never sold himself as one even if some guys see him as one. I consider everyone who teaches indifference NOT being a part of the seduction industry at all. Brent teaches how to change your life, how to create the life you want and he just puts the main focus on the women thing since many, many men are struggling in that area. Another area would be money but there are other teachers who focus on this. But nevertheless indifference is the key to success with women, money, social stuff etc. all the same.

Brent coached the non-rich guys for years and I think he has the right to shift his focus now to wealthier guys. The price for a coaching weekend was 1500$ for normal guys. I don't consider this an outrageous amount of money for a coaching of this caliber. If I lived in America, I probably would have attended one of his last "normal" coachings too. And a phone coaching session was 100$ which sounds like a lot but I think the value is there for this amount of money.

Seriously, noone NEEDS coaching from anyone but still it can be beneficial and noone gets forced to do a coaching with Brent. Everything that one needs to know, can be written and read in a book. That doens't make coachings not useful. Either you decline every coaching or no coaching when you view it from your point.

A rich guy can be as unsuccesful with women just like any normal guy. And therefore a rich guy can improve by a certain teaching as much as a normal guy can. Rich guys may get laid easier, yes. But that doesn't make a difference for them. Because the women they sleep with are only after their money (when they struggle with the same limiting beliefs as normal guys). Ever thought about that its not just about having sex with women, but sex with quality women? Rich guys want this is as much as normal guys want. But you only attract quality women when you have the right mindset and now, we're back to indifference.

And I think its normal that Brent charges more for coaching with them than with normal guys. Thats economy.

PS. Brents teaching is contained in his free newsletters aswell. He doesn't even have a book, he gives everything for free in his newsletters, his youtube videos. One can also ask him questions which he answers then.

I hope this didn't sound harsh but I felt after defending Brent since I'm very thankful for what he's given me with his stuff ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:46 pm 
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Vegano wrote:
I seem to be the defender of Brent in this forum, and I like that ;)

Brent is NOT a seduction guru and he never sold himself as one even if some guys see him as one. I consider everyone who teaches indifference NOT being a part of the seduction industry at all. Brent teaches how to change your life, how to create the life you want and he just puts the main focus on the women thing since many, many men are struggling in that area. Another area would be money but there are other teachers who focus on this. But nevertheless indifference is the key to success with women, money, social stuff etc. all the same.

Brent coached the non-rich guys for years and I think he has the right to shift his focus now to wealthier guys. The price for a coaching weekend was 1500$ for normal guys. I don't consider this an outrageous amount of money for a coaching of this caliber. If I lived in America, I probably would have attended one of his last "normal" coachings too. And a phone coaching session was 100$ which sounds like a lot but I think the value is there for this amount of money.

Seriously, noone NEEDS coaching from anyone but still it can be beneficial and noone gets forced to do a coaching with Brent. Everything that one needs to know, can be written and read in a book. That doens't make coachings not useful. Either you decline every coaching or no coaching when you view it from your point.

A rich guy can be as unsuccesful with women just like any normal guy. And therefore a rich guy can improve by a certain teaching as much as a normal guy can. Rich guys may get laid easier, yes. But that doesn't make a difference for them. Because the women they sleep with are only after their money (when they struggle with the same limiting beliefs as normal guys). Ever thought about that its not just about having sex with women, but sex with quality women? Rich guys want this is as much as normal guys want. But you only attract quality women when you have the right mindset and now, we're back to indifference.

And I think its normal that Brent charges more for coaching with them than with normal guys. Thats economy.

PS. Brents teaching is contained in his free newsletters aswell. He doesn't even have a book, he gives everything for free in his newsletters, his youtube videos. One can also ask him questions which he answers then.

I hope this didn't sound harsh but I felt after defending Brent since I'm very thankful for what he's given me with his stuff ;)

i'm not into brent stuff or indifference,but i found this very accurate for my situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_mt1BqF5g


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:42 pm 
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Bravo Sniper, your insights are gaining momentum.

[afterword]
I have seen a couple of her films and was totally unimpressed with what I saw.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:06 pm 
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I hung out with Johnny and his girlfriend for a couple days, she's actually really nice, despite the fact that she charges guys for sex which I find to be a contrast to her demeanor.

Johnny's seminar (which I thankfully didn't pay for) was pretty much the SR101 in real-time, with some other people like 'Kezia and Friends', most of what he said went past my head, I don't dig the porn culture myself and I've told him this, that there's a huge difference between paying a woman for sex rather than being with a woman who actually wants you, even he thought I was right.

Suckers are goldmines for these guys and training hoes to submit wouldn't be as profitable.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:15 pm 
I'm that "forum member" and it is my analysis :) So, I take responsibility for everything S. said...
Actually, I'm not the real author of this analysis either.... the real authors are Cameron Teone and Sinn ....who bashed Johnny on their podcast...half of the things said in this thread are mentioned in the podcast. I noticed the NLP patterns in Violet Marcell's "sales page" (What does she sell? Well...herself!) and immediately realized that Johnny made that page...

It's incredible how many guys like plastic tits :) The world has gone crazy.

No offense, Sniper...I love you, man but I like to take credit for what's mine :D

What I hate the most about Johnny is that he teaches guys to be greedy. Thinking that "I shouldn't give a dollar to a homeless guy cause I worked for it" is simply retarded, selfish and lame. 1 dollar versus "letting the poor guy die" ...which would a normal person choose? I'm not saying give money to lazy homeless people...but some of them are handicapped or very sick and stuff...

Again, my intention is not to bash the "gurus"... I'm sure they have SOME stuff to offer... but I like to explain why it's not THAT INCREDIBLE that they get laid. Don't be so fucking impressed by everyone.

When you see a short, fat, ugly, broke, smelly, retarded guy who lives with his mom that bangs top models, then be impressed! Dating gurus are not impressive... some are insightful but not impressive.

Anyway...I think Johnny doesn't fuck only porn stars and he has SOME success with regular women ...although he's fat ..he's also tall, rich, very smart and good in bed....which can get him "some". My purpose was to explain why Johnny gets laid... and getting laid with strippers and porn stars (which he deffinetely does) is perfectly explainable for a guy like him... :) Again, I'm not saying you have to have all the characteristics Johnny has to do so... but we're talking exclusively about Johnny. I don't know shit about other people hooking up with pornstars...

There are 2 things I like about Johnny: 1 is that he's very comfortable with his sexuality... and 2. his 3 dates in 1 idea that's HILARIOUS. Practically he identifies the women that have this "sex at the 3rd date rule"....and he tells them "Let's have 3 consecutive dates of half an hour each :))))) Brilliant and funny :))

There are also many things I don't like about him though ...

Listen to these guys when they talk...but take a good fucking look who's talking. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:38 pm 
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Iulian, I asked you if you want me to say it was you who gave me the information and you said
not to mention your name on this post :| - so I wrote 'one of the forum members'.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:56 pm 
Yeah you're right, I changed my mind and that's why I posted that. I don't wanna seem hateful but the guys were giving you props for rephrasing what I wrote to you on facebook. I'm not saying you have done something wrong by posting it, I just wanted to mention my 90% contribution. :)


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IulianC wrote:
Yeah you're right, I changed my mind and that's why I posted that. I don't wanna seem hateful but the guys were giving you props for rephrasing what I wrote to you on facebook. I'm not saying you have done something wrong by posting it, I just wanted to mention my 90% contribution. :)
Who's 'arrogant' now? :|

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