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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:20 am 
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Man this guy just doesn't stop he's still preaching highly about watching cute smiling asian girls and how he is free and enlightened he came out with a new program called fixmig (fix my inner game) still talking about crap that isn't ever going to work for me I'm going to browse through it more to see if he's come up with anything more practical but as far as I'm seeing its a fat no......

Now he's saying natural grounding will bring you into powerful now states out of your head in the present moment fucking amazing I wish him luck in life I don't know how much longer he's going to last in this industry

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:28 am 
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Way of a Natural wrote:
I'm going to browse through it more to see if he's come up with anything more practical but as far as I'm seeing its a fat no......
It sounds like you're still tempted to find some sort of answer through this seduction crap, like there might be some nugget of info in there you can grasp for your personal evolution, you KNOW it's bullshit so why get back into it?. It's RION, there's nothing practical about his bullshit.

The 'seduction' industry (like the adult entertainment industry) is an industry for suckers to get them hooked to it by means of catering to their conditioned and overhwhelming urge for [fantasy] sex, there will always be suckers in this world but you don't have to be one of them.

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Man, you already know what I think about all this. He doesn't have the answers but he needs more traveling money so he keeps coming up with more products - which are just endless repetitions of things he already talked about or some stuff in which he copied from the forum.

recently he read 'the power of now' book and a few other things from eastern philosophy
and decided that watching cute little smiley Asian women will get you non ego states :|
As you can see it should not be taken seriously.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:53 am 
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Alchemist wrote:
Way of a Natural wrote:
I'm going to browse through it more to see if he's come up with anything more practical but as far as I'm seeing its a fat no......
It sounds like you're still tempted to find some sort of answer through this seduction crap, like there might be some nugget of info in there you can grasp for your personal evolution, you KNOW it's bullshit so why get back into it?. It's RION, there's nothing practical about his bullshit.

The 'seduction' industry (like the adult entertainment industry) is an industry for suckers to get them hooked to it by means of catering to their conditioned and overhwhelming urge for [fantasy] sex, there will always be suckers in this world but you don't have to be one of them.

Naw fullmetal you got that twisted for some reason he's keeping me in his circle of all his new shit probably because I was suckered into all of that, and maybe he thinks I'll keep buying all of his shit I don't know.

I ain't searching for a damn thing :? I thought this would be something to share with you guys but obviously I was wasting my time with this so don't worry I won't say anything more Sniper if you want go ahead and delete this post apparently its a waste of space

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:02 am 
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No no, WOTN...please keep us posted...I enjoy the comedy relief. 8-)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:06 am 
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No, why delete it?

it's great comedy ;) I enjoy it.
Keep us posted man, maybe next time we will hear from mr. Williams that with natural grounding you can develop super natural powers like: teleport :mrgreen:

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Sniper wrote:
No, why delete it?

it's great comedy ;) I enjoy it.
Keep us posted man, maybe next time we will hear from Rion that with natural grounding you can develop super natural powers like: teleport :mrgreen:

:lol: Alright cool if you guys are cool with it I'll keep you updated then, that was hilarious sniper I like that
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No no, WOTN...please keep us posted...I enjoy the comedy relief. 8-)
Kidd what does WOTN mean ??!!!?????

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Oops...I meant WOAN...or Way Of A Natural...I thought it was Way Of THE Natural...my apologies. :oops:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:36 am 
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The Kidd!! wrote:
Oops...I meant WOAN...or Way Of A Natural...I thought it was Way Of THE Natural...my apologies. :oops:
:lol: Don't worry about it you're good people make mistakes, trust me that is no big deal but I know what to respond to now anyway holla

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:41 am 
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Sniper wrote:
Keep us posted man, maybe next time we will hear from mr. Williams that with natural grounding you can develop super natural powers like: teleport :mrgreen:
I remember he said some shit on ARD (or somewhere) that he would be able to float if he did a few more thousand hours, something like that.

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Sorry I know I might sounds like a broken record again, but one of the reasons I don't like Rion is because he is treating his students like they are just walking dollar bills for him.

While I was still on realm I once made a point that I think Marcus's stories are bogus because no one else has been getting all those results Rion promises on his sales pages. Than Rion replied something like: I know people can get the results Marcus was talking about
'that's why coaching is so important'. In other words: give me more money (a lot more) and I'll show you my system works. WTF??
does he think people are that stupid?

there is a guy on realm who wrote:
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Hey All,

New to this forum but have been applying natural grounding for a few weeks now.

I need your help guys, I've been out of the dating seen for over two years. For more reasons than I can explain in this forum......I finally started dating again and i have noticed that I'm falling into the same zone as I have many times in the past with women. They think I'm a great guy but see me as their BFF (let's just be friends). What the F@$k!

What am I doing wrong? I mean yes it's true that I listen and share my thoughts and I always have a good time talking to women but...
How is it that they don't want me intimately?

What can I do to reverse this? What am I doing wrong from an attraction standpoint?

I've watched Rion's "Cure your approach Anxiety" and "Natural Grounding Seminar" (natural game seminar). Is this issue addressed in any of the other programs he has?

I'd love your feedback.

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i can give answers or recommendations here but actually i would recommend just to join our 'Fix My Inner Game' group coaching club so that we can work through and on these issues with you.

it will be re-opened before new year's. there may be some content i can give away to RELMer's from it but the unique format allows me to help the guys through their exact issues.


in other words: give me more money.

I think it's a disgrace and an insult to people who invested money in his programs to get this kind of answer instead of getting more help on his forum.

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http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html

Take a look at that and tell me if you see any similarities with how Rion runs his business. Particularly number 10 The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.


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Alchemist wrote:
Sniper wrote:
Keep us posted man, maybe next time we will hear from mr. Williams that with natural grounding you can develop super natural powers like: teleport :mrgreen:
I remember he said some shit on ARD (or somewhere) that he would be able to float if he did a few more thousand hours, something like that.
In Scientology, if you spend over $800,000 on OT8 you'll be able to levitate an ash tray with your mind.

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Aztecsfinest wrote:
Alchemist wrote:
Sniper wrote:
Keep us posted man, maybe next time we will hear from mr. Williams that with natural grounding you can develop super natural powers like: teleport :mrgreen:
I remember he said some shit on ARD (or somewhere) that he would be able to float if he did a few more thousand hours, something like that.
In Scientology, if you spend over $800,000 on OT8 you'll be able to levitate an ash tray with your mind.
You reckon he'll create a new religion?. :lol:

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One thing I do agree with that he mentioned though is how jerkin the gherkin to pornography/centrefold models etc. puts you in a submissive position and subconsciously enforces the pedestal guys tend to put women on.

Somewhere along the way he turned NG into a new kind of 'new age' porn, I don't know which is worse. :lol:

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Yeah he's ridiculous and I'm starting to think the guy really needs professional help, however one thing must be said in his praise - unlike 95% of the seduction gurus out there, he really believes in what he's doing. I have no doubt about it. Yeah he's trying to make extra money with these bootcamps, but he sincerely is 100% confident that Natural Grounding is the best thing out there. And I do appreciate that, with all the crooks out there.

If we would compare him to Etienne for example, Rion really believes he found the winning formula and he's telling everyone about it, and Etienne looks to me like someone who first wanted to be a seduction guru, and then he started looking for methods to achieve this.

But anyway Rion is becoming really comical, his stuff isn't working for anyone and he really got screwed because his method is based on Youtube videos so he has no legal right to charge money for it and stuff. That's one of the reasons probably he's on the verge of bankruptcy.

I still feel a bit sympathetic towards him because he did say lots of things that are right about our society and I think it was important for me to go through that stage. The only problem now is that I still can't stop watching SNSD... Man they're hot... ;)

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however one thing must be said in his praise - unlike 95% of the seduction gurus out there, he really believes in what he's doing. I have no doubt about it.
Are you fucking KIDDING ME?!? The ONLY thing this guy believes in is finding new ways to get suckers to pad his bank account so he can run back abroad (Thailand is his preferred spot, apparently) to women that 'truly appreciate his naturalness'...really? :?

Come ON. :|

I believe in what I'm doing so much, I've been doing it FOR FREE FOR OVER 10 YEARS...but hey, if people are gonna give wackjobs like Rion and the like their hard earned moolah so willingly, then I have obviously been doing it wrong and grossly selling myself short. At least when I DO put out a product for sale, guys can buy with confidence knowing that it is ACTUAL FACTUAL. 8-)

EDIT: Verge of bankruptcy you say? There is his motivation in a nutshell...it will be...and always has been about paying for his addiction to Thailand. Let's compare to myself, once again....

I've been doing this for NO CHARGE...I should be VERY bankrupt, eh? Am I? NOPE! Know why? Because my main focus was BETTERING MYSELF...I now have 2 BS degrees, my beach boy body is almost back thanks to my self discipline with eating/working out, I have more women than I really know what to do with (and they are those TOUGH, IMPOSSIBLE WESTERN WOMEN at THAT :lol: ), and I make more money than I can even spend every pay period...AND I HAVEN'T EVEN PUT OUT A SINGLE PRODUCT YET.

That is the key...the fact that I am my own man 1st and not dependent on bullshit (in Rion's case) for my livelihood.

If you start with bullshit, sooner or later everyone will smell it. 8-)

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I remember he said some shit on ARD (or somewhere) that he would be able to float if he did a few more thousand hours, something like that.
In Scientology, if you spend over $800,000 on OT8 you'll be able to levitate an ash tray with your mind.[/quote]

You reckon he'll create a new religion?. :lol:[/quote]

He nearly had one, with Karl as pope then some cracks started to show when he started using sexploitation, he was so close!
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however one thing must be said in his praise - unlike 95% of the seduction gurus out there, he really believes in what he's doing. I have no doubt about it.
Are you fucking KIDDING ME?!? The ONLY thing this guy believes in is finding new ways to get suckers to pad his bank account so he can run back abroad (Thailand is his preferred spot, apparently) to women that 'truly appreciate his naturalness'...really? :?

Come ON. :|

I believe in what I'm doing so much, I've been doing it FOR FREE FOR OVER 10 YEARS...but hey, if people are gonna give wackjobs like Rion and the like their hard earned moolah so willingly, then I have obviously been doing it wrong and grossly selling myself short. At least when I DO put out a product for sale, guys can buy with confidence knowing that it is ACTUAL FACTUAL. 8-)

EDIT: Verge of bankruptcy you say? There is his motivation in a nutshell...it will be...and always has been about paying for his addiction to Thailand. Let's compare to myself, once again....

I've been doing this for NO CHARGE...I should be VERY bankrupt, eh? Am I? NOPE! Know why? Because my main focus was BETTERING MYSELF...I now have 2 BS degrees, my beach boy body is almost back thanks to my self discipline with eating/working out, I have more women than I really know what to do with (and they are those TOUGH, IMPOSSIBLE WESTERN WOMEN at THAT :lol: ), and I make more money than I can even spend every pay period...AND I HAVEN'T EVEN PUT OUT A SINGLE PRODUCT YET.

That is the key...the fact that I am my own man 1st and not dependent on bullshit (in Rion's case) for my livelihood.

If you start with bullshit, sooner or later everyone will smell it. 8-)
You're right, my only question is what is your work for you to have so much money?

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I'm a highly specialized registered nurse...plus I've made a lot of personal sacrifices to become completely debt free, so my money goes a VERY loooooooong way. Im going to treat myself to a luxury sports car this summer...which will only turn even more womens heads lol! Gotta love how that works! :mrgreen:

Bottom line is, I've paid the cost to be the boss. Everything I have and have become didn't come easy...but if you want something bad enough, you'll find a way to get it done. 8-)

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The Kidd,

I read pimposophony and about half of covert tactics. Maybe it's because I didn't finish covert tactics, maybe I missed something, but I just don't understand how exactly does your method help achieve indifference. More than that, it's based on the idea that you sit in a mall or a bar and observe which chicks are interested in you... Well I have in my record years of sitting in bars, buses and malls while observing my enviroment and I don't recall women jumping all over me...

No offence but the feeling I had when I read covert tactics was that it is a method that keeps you avoiding action. I read your posts and you say that what attracts women to you is your "vibe of contentment", yet you never explained how you achieved it (besides saying that you do stuff like spend lots of time playing video games and stuff like that). I can go to a bar tonight, sit down and observe everything, yet internally I'm everything but indifferent.

So please explain these points to me because it's very hard for me to follow your advice while these are unclear.

And I do think that Rion believes his method works great. I just think he's mentally ill, that's a different case.

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