The biggest problem is that a lot of the guys have a sore spot when it comes to 'programs'...therefore they react negatively to the mere mention of them. A lot of them bought into false hopes and what not that eventually led them here...it's a demon they have made peace with but still don't like facing.
Since I came into my own rather organically, I don't have a 'sore spot' when it comes to these kinds of things. I'm not saying that the programs you're hocking are hooey, but for many, programs = hooey by default. Is it fair? No...but it is what it is.
That's why I suggested hocking them in the natural game forum...they are all about 'programs' and therefore would be much more receptive. It's all about knowing your audience.
Please try not to hold this against the fellas in question...some of them have experienced a lot of pain and personal setbacks at the hands of some programs. Just let it go, have the mods close this thread since you haven't gotten any offers/inquiries anyway (we try not to delete if it's not necessary because there is educational value in almost every interaction in here), post the thread in natural game DOT com and lets get on with it.
Yeah I understand where their coming from, it's really hard to let go of the past.
Thanks for explaining and offering a solution, although and I don't really care about it anymore, like I said it was more due to a situation.
One thing I want to add though is that you have to work hard and be consistent at any of the programs or paths out there in order to get the benefits, so I wasn't claiming to have "magic pills" for everyone.
For example, from what I've read many guys were disappointed with natural grounding, yet I know of a hand full of guys who got hardcore into it and it really took their game to the next level, Marcus Baxter being the main one. It's weird, I guess we all have different ways of finding our personal power and how to be successful, in anything not just with women. But misinformation has a lot to do with it, (pulling out your penis has nothing to do with ng,) that's ridiculous