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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:41 pm 
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MM is pickup dude...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:37 pm 
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I won't tell you to use or don't use the Mystery Method (all I can tell you is that I tried it myself and saw others doing it- and it didn't work...)

I will however let you ponder on this from the story I posted about Sexter:

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =15&t=1220

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The women were already bitchy/rude to begin with. After using mystery's method, they became more BITCHIER. The only times the women were ever interested in the techniques mystery taught are the women who already saw me as a guy with "value". The women who were already attracted to me are usually the ones it worked on. Even when the women were already attracted to me, those "negs" and "DHV stories" made me come off incongruent, thus I still got rejected anyway.


THe major problem about mystery method is the level of practice you have to give out. You literally have to practice hundreds of times for the method to work, otherwise it will come off incongruent. After talking to a thousand women using this technique. I absolutely didn't get any results. The problem with this method is that it forces you to somebody your not. It makes you over think, and it will make you WEIRD.

I'm sure when Mystery used his method, it worked for him b/c he came from an entertainer background(magician)
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How to get to this point of understanding and still believe in absolutes I don't know :?: :!: :?: I said that mystery method book is as close as you find text book on building attraction. In the same way Iceberg' Pimp was and still is introduction to the game, but NOT the tell all be all. It's based on knowledge pimps have known for long time. I never said I was to be followed explicitly. I read that article you've quoted sometime ago. Don't gloss over the fact writer had a big social handicapp: he's short and Asian. Read this and (http://www.rooshv.com/totem-pole-of-rac ... -advantage). He was also using himself as a guinea pig for random approach so, I not fair total compare what he did to what I'm talking about . He also did very little foot work as to where to pick his targets. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be the case with anyone here. Seems to stong dislike anything pertaining to Pick up which is which is understandable, most are chartlans or make unsubstantated claims. But instead blind dislike keep of an blind dislike precept you disagree with keep and open mind. The MM book is worth a look for those wanting to understand attraction.

Dude you cannot build attraction or create attraction. You can only amplify attraction in those that are already attracted to you. So, Mystery Method is worthless because you're doing extra shit you don't need to do.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:58 am 
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There's nothing indirect about pickup though, it's all about diving in and invading space.
Ya, she can dive in and invade my space, like fuck I'm putting the pussy on a pedestal.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:00 pm 
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Dude you cannot build attraction or create attraction.
What!?! You must be out of it.

Anyway my recomendation STANDS. and if you really hate MM book that much then check out Rooshv's Bang and Day Bang.
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Listen up. You can say I'm wrong and disagree with me, but likening your disagreement to some imaginary state of mind that I must be in not to understand women the way you do only shows a mindset problem.

Matter of fact it shows that I struck a chord with you, and it shows that I've got a battering ram up the back end of your reality.

In other words have different opinion have than on the matter than I do, but your not able to really articulate yourside. Tell you what, for the purpose keeping this thread intact ,hit me up on the pm so we chop it up like to two players becaus I really want to hear breakdown your perspective.



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I was going to rip the second book you suggested, Bang, because I personally read that shit, and I know it is a waste of time.

Matter of fact, I did some of the shit Rooshv suggested and blew a bitch that I was sure was a lock. This was already after I was consistently getting laid.
Again, Using techniques from a catch manual on a girl you already had down?? Tsk, Tsk


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TLE...would you mind not PM'ing and starting a new thread? I'm really interested to see where this goes. :geek:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:21 pm 
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TLE...would you mind not PM'ing and starting a new thread? I'm really interested to see where this goes. :geek:

As long as it stays civilized... I'm down.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:37 pm 
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I was going to rip the second book you suggested, Bang, because I personally read that shit, and I know it is a waste of time.

Matter of fact, I did some of the shit Rooshv suggested and blew a bitch that I was sure was a lock. This was already after I was consistently getting laid.
Again, Using techniques from a catch manual on a girl you already had down?? Tsk, Tsk


Hit me up on the PM
Dude I'm about to rip your ass now. If you want to act cocky about some shit then you should do your research.

1. Why are you interviewing pimps about game but you aren't interviewing people like Rooshv and Mystery?
Rooshv isn't that busy, and he has stated that he likes to hear from his readers.

2. Your logic is flawed. If these "catch" manuals are so good then why can I lose a female using them that I already had locked?
Note: I've never lost a female using the pimp mindset that was a lock. You should call them "fuck up" manuals.

3. I'm not about to hit you up on the pm. I'm sending you straight to the Kidd so you can get your mindset right.

4. When you first called me you told me you didn't even have any women, and you had already been reading material written by pimps. Where does that fit in with these "catch" manuals? I know where it does.

5. Why were you so interested in joining the forum after I told you I was already breaking bitches since you're obviously trying to act like you have the game figured out?

6. Why don't you go ahead and start quoting these "catch" manuals if they are so good just like you starting quoting Mickey Royals Pimp Guide right off the bat? What is it? Can't the "catch" manuals speak for their self just like you let Mickey Royals Pimp Guide speak for itself?
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =22&t=1788

7. You do realize Rooshv admitted to trickin' in his book A Dead Bat in Paraguay. He straight up paid a South American hooker to fuck. Then he turned around and wrote Bang. Guess what he followed that book up with Bang Columbia.

8. Have you read what you're suggesting everyone else read? You realize Rooshv suggests that you do whatever you can to enter a woman's place short of breaking and entering. I'm not kidding. He says sleaziness is a great quality. That's cool, but right before you take the girl back to her place and bang her Rooshv advocates that you buy the girl dinner so you don't seem cheap and lose a possible lay.

9. You should do some research on what you suggest. That Mystery Method bullshit was written after Mystery had already been on television and doing magic shows for upscale casino/hotels like the Bellagio. I.E. Mystery wrote his method after he already bread. I.E. after he already had his front together.

10. If you really think you can make a random female attracted to you then tell me how you can do that in detail so I can get any female I want. There is logical and emotional attraction in females. You cannot create either. attraction is just a byproduct of you who you are in general.

11. You couldn't even tell that you interviewed a fake pimp. Reread his shit, and reread Rosebudd's shit. There's too much of a correlation between exact phrases. Matter of fact you can just watch American Pimp and then read that interview. That fucker hasn't even seen a dollar from a ho.
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1775

12. Why hasn't Jashon, The Patterson Pimp, ever been contacted for videos about pimps while nearly every author publishing non-fiction pimp information has been contacted or shown in a video? That dumbass youtube video just shows you how much of a two-bit fake he is.
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TLE...would you mind not PM'ing and starting a new thread? I'm really interested to see where this goes. :geek:
As long as it stays civilized... I'm down.
13. You should have kept it civil, but you decided to act cocky.

EDIT: 14 and 15 are off base.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:27 am 
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9. You should do some research on what you suggest. That Mystery Method bullshit was written after Mystery had already been on television and doing magic shows for upscale casino/hotels like the Bellagio. I.E. Mystery wrote his method after he already bread. I.E. after he already had his front together.
I had no idea, thanks for the update. And I think you meant to say that Mystery wrote his method after he already had his clout together...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:15 am 
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9. You should do some research on what you suggest. That Mystery Method bullshit was written after Mystery had already been on television and doing magic shows for upscale casino/hotels like the Bellagio. I.E. Mystery wrote his method after he already bread. I.E. after he already had his front together.
I had no idea, thanks for the update. And I think you meant to say that Mystery wrote his method after he already had his clout together...
No I did not mean to say that. Front gets them. Clout keeps them. Mystery doesn't have much clout. You already know how he can't keep a bitch in pocket.

He used to dress like a broke nerd from what I've read. It might even be in the book the game. Then he switched gears and started dressing emo/goth/hipster. Dressing like that is not cheap. He followed up with a car because I remember that he used to ride the bus when he was learning (sucking at) how to get women. Then it's like literally after 1 year of chasing women it all clicked, and he started scoring women after he moved out of his parents place.

I'm pretty sure that whole timeline matches with him establishing his front. From what I read in the game, the PUAs started living large in mansions, including Mystery. This was off of the money they were getting for training guys. I.E. they were being financially irresponsible because some of them couldn't make the payments. It even says in the book The Game that they had the house to get women. That is all front.

Now that Mystery has achieved nearly mainstream status. I'm pretty sure he does have clout.

If you notice Mystery has NEARLY STOPPED DOING BOOTCAMPS.

He has enough money to probably retire. He hit millionaire status a few years ago after his VH1 show. It is even unlikely that was not a millionaire before the VH1 show.

Edit: His basic ideas were already on the alt.seduction forum while he trying to make his come up. That book is a late product that is only a rework of his basic ideas. The book was primarily aimed at making money since he reached notoriety. It's funny that no one was having success using the method that he posted on forums until he started showing off pictures of his conquests and teaching the method.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:41 am 
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thanks for the info, I have not read 'the game' so I didn't know that. Mystery now charges around 10,000$ for a bootcamp (when he decides to have one which as you said: is not often...).

Edit: The reason I don't like the method is because I tried it and it didn't work. I also saw others fail with it all the time. It might work for some but it takes A LOT of practice and even then:
the few guys that I saw have success with it was because their Front and Clout was already good. So it wasn't so much 'the method' that got them success.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:44 pm 
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Millionaire?

Show me proof, I strongly doubt it unless I see proof.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:10 pm 
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... goes-down/

I'm not the first person to say the Mystery is worth millions buddy.

The proof is in the pudding. Mystery and his compadres rented a 14,000sq mansion in California or something back in 2003 or 2004 before THE GAME was written. The had the cash for the front, but they didn't have the clout. I.E. they were renting and a few came up short, but they had bank.

He had a Vh1 T.V. show in 2007 or something. He was on the conan o' brian show.

7 years after The Game was written, and you are skeptical that this guy is worth at least 1 million?

Buddy his book alone has sold more copies.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:25 pm 
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rkd1990 wrote:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... goes-down/

I'm not the first person to say the Mystery is worth millions buddy.

The proof is in the pudding. Mystery and his compadres rented a 14,000sq mansion in California or something back in 2003 or 2004 before THE GAME was written. The had the cash for the front, but they didn't have the clout. I.E. they were renting and a few came up short, but they had bank.

He had a Vh1 T.V. show in 2007 or something. He was on the conan o' brian show.

7 years after The Game was written, and you are skeptical that this guy is worth at least 1 million?

Buddy his book alone has sold more copies.
I rebut rkd, this treatise you showed is no proof of mystery being a millionaire.

Adding that to his reckless lifestyle and the very apparently emotional imbalance he suffers, I doubt he has the characteristics worth of a millionaire, or even a mildly rich guy.

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even if he is not 'a millionaire' his cash flow is very above avrage. His company still runs bootcamps (and often they are sold out) and people are still buying his DVDs and books.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:09 pm 
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http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... goes-down/

I'm not the first person to say the Mystery is worth millions buddy.

The proof is in the pudding. Mystery and his compadres rented a 14,000sq mansion in California or something back in 2003 or 2004 before THE GAME was written. The had the cash for the front, but they didn't have the clout. I.E. they were renting and a few came up short, but they had bank.

He had a Vh1 T.V. show in 2007 or something. He was on the conan o' brian show.

7 years after The Game was written, and you are skeptical that this guy is worth at least 1 million?

Buddy his book alone has sold more copies.
I rebut rkd, this treatise you showed is no proof of mystery being a millionaire.

Adding that to his reckless lifestyle and the very apparently emotional imbalance he suffers, I doubt he has the characteristics worth of a millionaire, or even a mildly rich guy.
This^ is a what is known as a claim.

Characteristics of a millionaire? That is an Ad Hominem logical fallacy along with being a claim. You're attacking his personage over facts dude. That is not a valid or logical argument.

I'm making real arguments dude.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-04/livi ... =PM:LIVING

If you read the first paragraph you saw that a nobody celebrity got offered 200k to appear on Vh1. Mystery's tv show was the single most hyped series of the summer for vh1. Do you really think he was offered less than a million to do the show?

If you think he was offered less than that then we don't need to debate this issue because showing you his 2003-2008 bank statements won't change what you think about his success and how it helped him get women.

Dali, whether he is or is not still a millionaire is irrelevant now. He has social status as a celebrity that fortifies his front and clout.

Also, you are bat shit crazy if you think he wasn't a millionaire before Vh1.

Ross Jefferies was mad that Mystery stole his business, and Ross Jeffries was a freaking millionaire back in 2000 or something
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The previous sentence is also a claim^.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:25 pm 
LoL, I knew the mere mentioning the MM Book would open up a Pandora's Box's but some people take themselves a little too serious. The internet can bring the passive-aggressiveness out of folks can't it?


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1. Why are you interviewing pimps about game but you aren't interviewing people like Rooshv and Mystery?
Rooshv isn't that busy, and he has stated that he likes to hear from his readers.

Good Question, Actually I'm months ahead ya! RooshV was the 1st person I asked for interview. However he claimed he busy at the time. Hopefully soon. And why do I interview Pimps? Why not? On my blog right the Lesser Evil Show it's Says "The Panoramic View of the Game" I down to interviewing all types of people whether they be Pimps, Pickup Artist, Tricks, Ho's entertainers, whatever. It my blog and I'll interview who I like.
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2. Your logic is flawed. If these "catch" manuals are so good then why can I lose a female using them that I already had locked?
Note: I've never lost a female using the pimp mindset that was a lock. You should call them "fuck up" manuals.

Never explained what you did to blow the chick. Start there.
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3. I'm not about to hit you up on the pm. I'm sending you straight to the Kidd so you can get your mindset right.
??? "My mindset Right" You think you know my mindset?!?!

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4. When you first called me you told me you didn't even have any women, and you had already been reading material written by pimps. Where does that fit in with these "catch" manuals? I know where it does
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Homey, You were called TALKIN' ABOUT TEACHING A CLASS ON PIMPING (Teaching the Pimp game to mainstream college kids?!?!. Talk' about violating, sheesh!) Then you wanted me you give you a line on Noble or Jashon so they could come lecture the class on The Game. And I don't women on the street I NOT A PIMP And have no desiring to send women. (SO To anyone LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO MAYBE READING THIS THE LESSER EVIL IS NOT A PIMP!! In fact, I'm currently single so any ladies seeing this talk to me.
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5. Why were you so interested in joining the forum after I told you I was already breaking bitches since you're obviously trying to act like you have the game figured out

I belong to tons of forums what's one more. And never even insinuated that I had everything figure out about anything. None of us do, and definitely not you, silly. YOU on the other hand trying to book learn a game that everyone you can't learn from any book.
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6. Why don't you go ahead and start quoting these "catch" manuals if they are so good just like you starting quoting Mickey Royals Pimp Guide right off the bat? What is it? Can't the "catch" manuals speak for their self just like you let Mickey Royals Pimp Guide speak for itself?
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =22&t=1788

I have no time. Read 'em and use deduction...

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7. You do realize Rooshv admitted to trickin' in his book A Dead Bat in Paraguay. He straight up paid a South American hooker to fuck. Then he turned around and wrote Bang. Guess what he followed that book up with Bang Columbia.
So. But your saying nothing of value in any of his books? Where to meeting women in Brazil, Columbia, Iceland etc. How the culture differs for American's and how men of different races will be percieved in different places??

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8. Have you read what you're suggesting everyone else read? You realize Rooshv suggests that you do whatever you can to enter a woman's place short of breaking and entering. I'm not kidding. He says sleaziness is a great quality. That's cool, but right before you take the girl back to her place and bang her Rooshv advocates that you buy the girl dinner so you don't seem cheap and lose a possible lay.
I've read Bang a few months ago and now I'm reading Day Bang right now. Again, so what?. Do everything you read in any book? Iceberg Slim? The Art of Seduction? The 48 Laws of Power? No, you don't! You pick what works for you and you start there. BTW, didn't you recently quote from Roosh's his blog. You come off hypocritical here.


9. You should do some research on what you suggest. That Mystery Method bullshit was written after Mystery had already been on television and doing magic shows for upscale casino/hotels like the Bellagio. I.E. Mystery wrote his method after he already bread. I.E. after he already had his front together.

You have a problem with selective hearing. I simply said read the Mystery Method Book, NOT follow his method verbitaum. I found SOME of the information in the book to good
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10. If you really think you can make a random female attracted to you then tell me how you can do that in detail so I can get any female I want. There is logical and emotional attraction in females. You cannot create either. attraction is just a byproduct of you who you are in general.

Again,I never insinuated that you can make any woman like you any man with half a brain knows this. What do believe is if there a spark there you can could make it grow (cop) or diminished (blow)

11. You couldn't even tell that you interviewed a fake pimp. Reread his shit, and reread Rosebudd's shit. There's too much of a correlation between exact phrases. Matter of fact you can just watch American Pimp and then read that interview. That fucker hasn't even seen a dollar from a ho.

Rosebudd's a fake? Tell him that.
budd@rosebuddbitterdose.net
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001480522262

Jimi Starr said he was in the street with Rosebudd and he they have been business partners Noble Dee (tried to get me to you give his number help you TEACH A COURSE ON THE PIMPIN') vouched for Rosebudd as well as a host of other PI's .The Orginal White folks is writing a Book with Rosebudd and YOU cosigned on his book. Watch Ya Step.. From my dealings with him and the convo's we've had I believe he's we've had he's official.You on the other hand are a little dude. And the real question is my friend who are you??
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12. Why hasn't Jashon, The Patterson Pimp, ever been contacted for videos about pimps while nearly every author publishing non-fiction pimp information has been contacted or shown in a video? That dumbass youtube video just shows you how much of a two-bit fake he is.
Now this shows your pedigree. If you're referring to Malloy's Cross Country Pimping video series from what I understand he's charges dudes something like 5- 10 G's to feature in his DVD's? And did you know brothers are catching Federal cases behind by showing all there business ( not mention Jewelry are Cars they haven't paid taxes on!) in these DVD's?. That Jayshon video is a book trailer ,silly. It called marketing. But I tell you what, tell him he's a fake thepatersonpimp@aol.com
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13. You should have kept it civil, but you decided to act cocky.
Here is what I believe the truth is about you. You're attention whore and an arm chair player. An Internet forum tough talker. I don't time to play with you. And now that I've wasted valuable time responding to you, I'm putting you on my ignore list.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:25 pm 
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guys, is this bashing really necessary?

and it all started because of the Mystery method :arrow: :|

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:54 am 
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LoL, I knew the mere mentioning the MM Book would open up a Pandora's Box's but some people take themselves a little too serious. The internet can bring the passive-aggressiveness out of folks can't it?
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1. Why are you interviewing pimps about game but you aren't interviewing people like Rooshv and Mystery?
Rooshv isn't that busy, and he has stated that he likes to hear from his readers.

Good Question, Actually I'm months ahead ya! RooshV was the 1st person I asked for interview. However he claimed he busy at the time. Hopefully soon. And why do I interview Pimps? Why not? On my blog right the Lesser Evil Show it's Says "The Panoramic View of the Game" I down to interviewing all types of people whether they be Pimps, Pickup Artist, Tricks, Ho's entertainers, whatever. It my blog and I'll interview who I like.
Damn you took it personal.
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2. Your logic is flawed. If these "catch" manuals are so good then why can I lose a female using them that I already had locked?
Note: I've never lost a female using the pimp mindset that was a lock. You should call them "fuck up" manuals.

Never explained what you did to blow the chick. Start there.
Yeah. I'll start there. I talked about the dumb ass topics of conversation that Rooshv suggested, and I bought dinner like he suggested. Guess what. She told me I was never this boring before, and she thought it was creepy that I bought her dinner.

Your hero, Rooshv, is nothing more than a creepy trick doing everything he can to get into a woman's house like he suggests in his book instead of allowing them to come to his house.
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3. I'm not about to hit you up on the pm. I'm sending you straight to the Kidd so you can get your mindset right.
??? "My mindset Right" You think you know my mindset?!?!

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Trying to act cocky by posting internet pictures just shows how invested you are.

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4. When you first called me you told me you didn't even have any women, and you had already been reading material written by pimps. Where does that fit in with these "catch" manuals? I know where it does
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Homey, You were called TALKIN' ABOUT TEACHING A CLASS ON PIMPING (Teaching the Pimp game to mainstream college kids?!?!. Talk' about violating, sheesh!) Then you wanted me you give you a line on Noble or Jashon so they could come lecture the class on The Game. And I don't women on the street I NOT A PIMP And have no desiring to send women. (SO To anyone LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO MAYBE READING THIS THE LESSER EVIL IS NOT A PIMP!! In fact, I'm currently single so any ladies seeing this talk to me.
1. Please answer the part about you having absolutely no women. You are not contending a very important point which links to your use of "catch" manuals.

2. I didn't not teach college students how to pimp. I taught a course about the history of pimping, how it's tied to black culture, academic and mainstream stereotypes of pimps, and politics of urban life as they relate to pimping.

Do you really think a college would let me teach pimping to their students who are predominantly white, affluent, and whom hold conservative political views? If you think they would then you need to come to my college.

I did say that I would offer them 21st Century Fox because it's great for getting them pimp tyte. I called it the modern day pimp bible as it is called on Amazon.com.

3. I did not ask to contact Noble or Jashon. I said that I was looking for pimps so I record their perspective on the politics of urban culture. You offered Noble and Jashon. I then agreed that it might be a good to bring them to campus because skyping and internet video can be difficult to communicate through.

I also asked you if you were sure Jashon was a legitimate pimp in the game, yet Jashon, to my knowledge, has not been featured in any part of pimp culture video. That is contrary to the majority of boss players.

4. No you are not a pimp, and I'm not a pimp either.

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5. Why were you so interested in joining the forum after I told you I was already breaking bitches since you're obviously trying to act like you have the game figured out

I belong to tons of forums what's one more. And never even insinuated that I had everything figure out about anything. None of us do, and definitely not you, silly. YOU on the other hand trying to book learn a game that everyone you can't learn from any book.
1. Ok, I do see your point. What is one more forum.

2. If you don't have everything figured out then why do you believe that these PUA books are truth so strongly. There is a good reason that everyone on this forum doesn't have a positive attitude to those books. They don't work, and the authors of the books are just interested in making money.

3. This goes back to the first point I made. What is one more forum. You would have known that I'm not trying to learn everything from a book if you had read more topics on this forum.

It is well documented on this forum that I previously lived under a pimp, and I told you that over the phone. You obviously forgot, and your memory has faded a tiny bit since we spoke on the phone.

It is also documented that I picked up books because my mentor wanted to see me fully develop my personality and mouthpiece. I discussed a lot of things with him, and he told me the main thing I need was a mouthpiece. I wanted to move forward faster than he wanted me to move forward.

4. I recognize that I don't know everything, and I don't live with my mentor anymore so I started looking for an alternative. This is where I landed to continue my path to having tight game.
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6. Why don't you go ahead and start quoting these "catch" manuals if they are so good just like you starting quoting Mickey Royals Pimp Guide right off the bat? What is it? Can't the "catch" manuals speak for their self just like you let Mickey Royals Pimp Guide speak for itself?
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =22&t=1788

I have no time. Read 'em and use deduction...
1. This is cop out. You took the time to quote Mickey Royals Guide. You don't have the time to quote your "catch" manuals when you have hard copies of the books. You didn't quote much from Mickey Royal's Guide and the book proved itself to members on the forum.

Your "catch" manuals should have the same ability to persuade members on this forum.

2. I have used deduction, and I have deduced that those same "catch" manuals like Rooshv's Bang and Mystery's Mystery Method are what have hindered my growth.

Are you sure those books aren't hindering your growth?
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7. You do realize Rooshv admitted to trickin' in his book A Dead Bat in Paraguay. He straight up paid a South American hooker to fuck. Then he turned around and wrote Bang. Guess what he followed that book up with Bang Columbia.
So. But your saying nothing of value in any of his books? Where to meeting women in Brazil, Columbia, Iceland etc. How the culture differs for American's and how men of different races will be percieved in different places??
1. No, I'm not saying that his books have no value. In fact, something just occurred to me. If you want to pimp in South America his books are perfect because he openly admits that the areas are populated with hookers. Now you know where to go to knock some hos.

2. His book Bang Iceland has absolutely no value. I'm sure the places that he suggests can be found in any travel guide as he admits in his book A Dead Bat in Paraguay that he wished he knew where to get a great travel guide. He was following mainstream travel guides, which are normally written very poorly, and these guides are of little value when you get to country and get involved with local population. This is something you have to do to get women. I also have personal experience with the failure of travel guides written for different countries.

3. Rooshv's books don't present anything new. It is common knowledge that Americans are loved in these major areas: Central America, South America, Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe. Western Europeans, Middle Eastern people, populations from the Caucasus mountains (Uzbekistan and Khazakstan for example), and some populations of Asia Minor hold the most grudges to Americans.

Most cultures perceive Americans as rich so it doesn't matter how the culture perceives you unless there is deep seeded hate. Reread the areas that I said that dislike America. Even if there is a slight distaste to Americans it doesn't matter to women who perceive you as wealthy.
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8. Have you read what you're suggesting everyone else read? You realize Rooshv suggests that you do whatever you can to enter a woman's place short of breaking and entering. I'm not kidding. He says sleaziness is a great quality. That's cool, but right before you take the girl back to her place and bang her Rooshv advocates that you buy the girl dinner so you don't seem cheap and lose a possible lay.
I've read Bang a few months ago and now I'm reading Day Bang right now. Again, so what?. Do everything you read in any book? Iceberg Slim? The Art of Seduction? The 48 Laws of Power? No, you don't! You pick what works for you and you start there. BTW, didn't you recently quote from Roosh's his blog. You come off hypocritical here.
1. No I do not do everything that I read from a book; however, Rooshv's books are not beneficial to copping women. He even tells you how to blow phone game. He tells you to call first. He tells you to have topics you're ready to talk about with witty shit to say.

A. You don't need to call first, and you should let the female initiate calls and texts so she invests time and energy into you.

B. Having topics prepared prevents you from letting a female tell you her life story, and if she is choosing you hard it prevents her from coming up off as much information as possible if the topic is not related to her.

2. You're right I did quote RooshV. I was making fun of what Rooshv considers game. If you don't believe me reread that thread where I call it symp. game.

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9. You should do some research on what you suggest. That Mystery Method bullshit was written after Mystery had already been on television and doing magic shows for upscale casino/hotels like the Bellagio. I.E. Mystery wrote his method after he already bread. I.E. after he already had his front together.

You have a problem with selective hearing. I simply said read the Mystery Method Book, NOT follow his method verbitaum. I found SOME of the information in the book to good
1. I will give you that. There may be some good information. I would like to know what though. I read the book a while back, and I cannot even remember any of his information that I still use.

2. This goes back to my earlier point. You should quote these golden nuggets so that everyone can benefit and have your PUA books vindicated.
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10. If you really think you can make a random female attracted to you then tell me how you can do that in detail so I can get any female I want. There is logical and emotional attraction in females. You cannot create either. attraction is just a byproduct of you who you are in general.
Again,I never insinuated that you can make any woman like you any man with half a brain knows this. What do believe is if there a spark there you can could make it grow (cop) or diminished (blow)
1. Not every man with half a brain know this, and that idea is exactly what PUA's sell to men every single day.

2. Mystery even tells you that you can create attraction in women in the book The Mystery Method.
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11. You couldn't even tell that you interviewed a fake pimp. Reread his shit, and reread Rosebudd's shit. There's too much of a correlation between exact phrases. Matter of fact you can just watch American Pimp and then read that interview. That fucker hasn't even seen a dollar from a ho.

Rosebudd's a fake? Tell him that.
budd@rosebuddbitterdose.net
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001480522262
Jimi Starr said he was in the street with Rosebudd and he they have been business partners Noble Dee (tried to get me to you give his number help you TEACH A COURSE ON THE PIMPIN') vouched for Rosebudd as well as a host of other PI's .The Orginal White folks is writing a Book with Rosebudd and YOU cosigned on his book. Watch Ya Step.. From my dealings with him and the convo's we've had I believe he's we've had he's official.You on the other hand are a little dude. And the real question is my friend who are you??
1. Get it right man. I'm calling that Patterson Pimp you were raving about so much a fake. I'm not calling Rosebudd a fake pimp. There is no verification about that dude besides what he writes. If the Patterson Pimp was a boss why isn't he mentioned and quoted by other boss pimps?

2. Reread that interview with Patterson Pimp. Watch American Pimp. Either that dude was telling you Rosebudd's shit, or you were not directly quoting this dude. I can't tell, but I can tell that the interview raised some red flags with me.
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12. Why hasn't Jashon, The Patterson Pimp, ever been contacted for videos about pimps while nearly every author publishing non-fiction pimp information has been contacted or shown in a video? That dumbass youtube video just shows you how much of a two-bit fake he is.
Now this shows your pedigree. If you're referring to Malloy's Cross Country Pimping video series from what I understand he's charges dudes something like 5- 10 G's to feature in his DVD's? And did you know brothers are catching Federal cases behind by showing all there business ( not mention Jewelry are Cars they haven't paid taxes on!) in these DVD's?. That Jayshon video is a book trailer ,silly. It called marketing. But I tell you what, tell him he's a fake thepatersonpimp@aol.com
1. That whole statement is pseudo speculation as to why that Patterson Pimp isn't in the video series. Chances are he doesn't have 5-10 G's.

2. Chances are that he was a simple pimp and not boss player.

3. There are some 30 people or more shown in the Cross Country Pimping Series and the other videos Maroy has shown. You can count the number of people who have gone to prison after each dvd has aired on your hand. Most of those guys were already under investigations, and the majority of those guys who are charged are going to prison on crimes that were not depicted in any of Maroy's dvds.

4. Why are you making excuses for this dude?
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13. You should have kept it civil, but you decided to act cocky.
Here is what I believe the truth is about you. You're attention whore and an arm chair player. An Internet forum tough talker. I don't time to play with you. And now that I've wasted valuable time responding to you, I'm putting you on my ignore list.
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1. Yeah I'm a whore every girl I've been with knows this. Give me some news I can use.

2. Yeah I'm an arm chair player because I don't have to lift a damn finger with these bitches.

3. Yeah I talk tough on the internet to people who who act like they know everything on the internet but have their head so far up their ass no one can tell them anything because they can't hear shit.

4. You're right you don't have time to play with me, but you need to make time to learn basic English grammar, which is your first language.

5. If your time was so damn valuable and then you shouldn't have responded. Time management is a basic principle to being a functioning human being.

6. Putting me on your ignore list is some real childish shit. You can't take what you dish out.

7. I really wish you could have told me why you didn't have any women when we first talked since you're using these PUA "catch" manuals. Too bad you put me on ignore.

8. If you didn't act condescending to me then we wouldn't be having this long drawn out debate.


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another thing about Mystery in regards what rkd mentioned:

after the book 'the game' came out and then his VH1 show: Mystery hit mini celebrity status. He was interviewed on newspapers and TV shows a lot.

Even if he was not very rich having a mini celebrity status will push your game to a high level very easily and takes away a lot of the leg work...

I knew a guy who was so bad with woman but after he was in a shitty reality show- suddently women were all over him and he was getting success like crazy (for a while). And that was just a reality show-
not something special...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:44 pm 
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He may have been a millionaire, but maybe herbal took his money too :lol:

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