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| Author: | Sniper [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
hey guys, this isn't something new to the guys who have been here a while but new members might want to ponder on it... I have talked about this with a friend of mine. When it comes to PUAs most of them are at the bottom of the totem pole. I'll explain.... On one hand you have 'the seduction Gurus' that get women mostly because they have Money or high social status in some niche and as a result: Social dominances over their target demographic. Of course they have a good mindset and some of their advise is good- but when you look at the whole picture: they already have something that women want so women gravitate towards them. we have talked about seduction gurus like: David D. Brent Johnny Soporno Neil Strauss Adam Lyons Hypnotica they all had something that women want. (note: even they are not getting laid all the time and have to deal with rejections) Then, you have the regular PUAs (regular guys who go to the seduction community and study game)... Why are they at the bottom of the totem pole? because they approach so many women, spend a lot of time and money going out approaching or going on dates. get tons of rejections or fake phone numbers. sometimes they brag about how they got sex 'for free'. But when you think about it: if they approached 1000-2000 women- and then one day they were at the right place at the right time and got some- they talk as if they got it 'for free'. But how much time and money did they spend going out approaching so many girls? or going to many dates that lead to nothing? (not to mention getting tons of rejections...) some PUAs brag that they can get phone numbers but getting a phone number doesn't mean that the girl will follow you up or want to sleep with you. Even Paul Janka who is master in the numbers game gets tons of rejections or just phone numbers that didn't lead to anything. That's why most PUA stuff is a scam. They say in their sales letters stuff like: 'get any woman you want' or 'almost any woman you want' or 'the easy way to get laid'... Yet, no one invented a system that can get you 100% or even 70% success rates as far as meeting a woman and then sleeping with her (for sure). think about it... |
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| Author: | Alchemist [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
Not that it's relevant to us but yeah I see what you mean lol. I don't think there's a real difference between the ones at the top and bottom, I'm actually cool with Johnny even though we don't agree on everything. Any system created solely for the purpose of meeting women is bound to collapse on itself. |
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| Author: | Sniper [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:32 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
I don't think there's a real difference between the ones at the top and bottom, I'm actually cool with Johnny even though we don't agree on everything.
Hey Alchemist,I find Johnny weird  but what do you mean by 'there isn't a real difference between the ones at the top and bottom'? |
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| Author: | Alchemist [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
Ultimately the ones 'at the top' are still working too hard, if anything just as much as the ones at the bottom to keep up their facade, that's how I see it anyways they're all the same to me. 
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| Author: | Ryan [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
PUAs are the most wanna-be, low-life, needy men you will ever encounter. Ryan |
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| Author: | Altair [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:25 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
PUAs are the most wanna-be, low-life, needy men you will ever encounter.
Why are you so hostile toward them?
Ryan |
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| Author: | Dali [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:39 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | ||
PUAs are the most (1st)wanna-be, (2nd)low-life, (3rd)needy men you will ever encounter.
Why are you so hostile toward them?Ryan  ?...Agree on the 1st, disagree on the 2nd, agree on the 3rd. |
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| Author: | Ryan [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
Because PUAs are fakes...they use every tactic in the book to get women to sleep with them. In turn, this makes them extremely needy and wanting more and more. I used to be into PU but it really caused an excessive amount of suffering. Plus the whole...I need to show off more value than you when in reality I'm worthless... All of those so called PUA gurus out there are just going to hurt you more than help you. Plus, they have absolutely no other desire in life besides increasing their number. I'm just proving a point that PUA are the absolute worst people to follow and you need to stop investing time in them. Ryan |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:00 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
Because PUAs are fakes...they use every tactic in the book to get women to sleep with them. In turn, this makes them extremely needy and wanting more and more. I used to be into PU but it really caused an excessive amount of suffering. Plus the whole...I need to show off more value than you when in reality I'm worthless... All of those so called PUA gurus out there are just going to hurt you more than help you. Plus, they have absolutely no other desire in life besides increasing their number.
I agree with this. So much potential and time lost trying to convince women to fuck you...I mean, doesn't the last sentence I wrote just sound utterly ridiculous? I'm just proving a point that PUA are the absolute worst people to follow and you need to stop investing time in them. Ryan
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| Author: | Sniper [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
I would add that some (or even most) PUA teachers want to keep men asleep. That way they can keep selling more products and bootcamps. I wonder why books such as 'the manipulated man' or 'the great feamle con' are not talked about in the community. PUAs keep telling you to worship women or that women are some kind of trophy- where in reality most women are not worth the time and effort. |
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| Author: | Alchemist [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole |
This makes them traitors to Men.... |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:11 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
This makes them traitors to Men....
Men have been selling out to gain favor with pussy for centuries. 
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| Author: | Ryan [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:21 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
I would add that some (or even most) PUA teachers want to keep men asleep. That way they can keep selling more products and bootcamps.
Because not all men believe in such things...most PUA have their own methods that would disagree with everything in these books. The number one thing PUA do not have is patience. It's all about what would work best for me in the quickest amount of time possible...and developing a mindset of becoming a natural prize to women is not a quick fix I wonder why books such as 'the manipulated man' or 'the great feamle con' are not talked about in the community. PUAs keep telling you to worship women or that women are some kind of trophy- where in reality most women are not worth the time and effort.  Plus, you also have guys like Zan who say "women taught him everything he knows". Ryan |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:24 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
Plus, you also have guys like Zan who say "women taught him everything he knows".
...and these are guys you steer clear of.
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| Author: | Altair [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:39 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: some thoughts about PUAs at the bottom of the totem pole | |
Because PUAs are fakes...they use every tactic in the book to get women to sleep with them. In turn, this makes them extremely needy and wanting more and more. I used to be into PU but it really caused an excessive amount of suffering. Plus the whole...I need to show off more value than you when in reality I'm worthless... All of those so called PUA gurus out there are just going to hurt you more than help you. Plus, they have absolutely no other desire in life besides increasing their number.
I have been out of the community for a long time. I greatly value the lessons I learned while I was there,And I hold no anger toward them, most of them are just lost and have no social skills. I'd much rather point things out to them, then condemn them I'm just proving a point that PUA are the absolute worst people to follow and you need to stop investing time in them. Ryan
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