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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Cory Skyy grew up in up state new york , his father was against the fact that he brought girls home. His parents never let him be in the same room with a girl since they know what he is capable of doing . His father was actually against the fact that he is a natural and his father did not like the fact he picked up girls. Cory was actually a wuss before he was 13 and then he made a made strong decision that he wanted to be great with woman . Cory hung out with average guys , he said he only came across 5 guys that were naturals like him but he barely hung out with these guys.
Did anyone here ask you to give a biography on Cory? No

They asked about YOUR experiences

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This was what fufe said
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I was the only guy with cute girls sitting in one table my whole puberty and I was a puss.
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If you are going to say rude shit like calling me a puss, don`t comment on my post,
Firstly, you could at least get his name right, that is a real sign of disrepect.

Secondly.. Where in that did he call YOU a puss? He called himself it.

I am sure several noticed that, including Kidd:
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Thinkpositive, fufe explicitly said that HE was the puss...not you.
Jeez, I see your observation skills are well honed :)

Maybe you might look at your anger and defensiveness as your next task.

fufe picked up on that as well here:
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I never said you are talking bullshit.

The fact you are so defensive and agry now shows something...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:27 pm 
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Hey man ,

I am sorry, I thought you called me a puss, i hope you can forgive me , the reason i was so defensive is I had other guys on this forum were saying I was bullshitting. The reason I described Cory's biography is because sniper asked me to , if you can read the previous post.


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@Thinkpositive

I'm not arguing with you or telling you don't do affirmations. We are just trying to make you see the big picture...

regarding Cory and his students:

what is their Front and Clout?
what is their Environmental factors?

what kind of people did Cory hang out with when he was young?
what kind of house did he grow up in? (maybe his dad was alpha?)

just a few points to think about before you beleive that affirmations are what made him successful....

Edit: but please tell us more about yourself. I'd like to hear more..


Guess I am not the only with poor observational skills lol jokeess


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:08 am 
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Thinkpositve wrote:
regarding Cory and his students:

what is their Front and Clout?
what is their Environmental factors?

what kind of people did Cory hang out with when he was young?
what kind of house did he grow up in? (maybe his dad was alpha?)

just a few points to think about before you beleive that affirmations are what made him successful....

Edit: but please tell us more about yourself. I'd like to hear more..


Guess I am not the only with poor observational skills lol jokeess
He said 'a few points to think about', he did not ask you for the answers.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:05 am 
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He said 'a few points to think about', he did not ask you for the answers.
that's right Thinkpositve I did not ask for an answer, I gave you something to think about...

But since you posted his history I'll let you ponder on it:

just because Corry said that was his biography doesn't mean it's necessarily true. It could be true and it could also be just a marketing pitch...

Have we not heard of seduction Gurus who lied about their history or their front & clout
or their success or the real reason they had success (which was often not because of seduction skills but because of their social status...)

I suggest you do some searching on the review on seduction material page and you will find a few 'surprises'. And you also asked me about 'natural grounding' in the past- by now you probably saw that the one who teaches it is not exacly honest (I won't get into it anymore than I already did).

The other thing is:

it could be that Corry didn't lie about his history but he attributed his success mostly to affirmations where in reality that was not the main factor that made him successful.

(I listened to his program MM and what he says is: do affirmations until you beleive in them. He doesn't mention Front, Clout, environmental factors and other things that are way more importent. He talks about living on the edge like there is no tommarow- what does that mean?
is it good to live life without a plan for the future?)

just ponder on this....

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Thinkpositve wrote:
Hey man ,

I am sorry, I thought you called me a puss, i hope you can forgive me , the reason i was so defensive is I had other guys on this forum were saying I was bullshitting. The reason I described Cory's biography is because sniper asked me to , if you can read the previous post.


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@Thinkpositive

I'm not arguing with you or telling you don't do affirmations. We are just trying to make you see the big picture...

regarding Cory and his students:

what is their Front and Clout?
what is their Environmental factors?

what kind of people did Cory hang out with when he was young?
what kind of house did he grow up in? (maybe his dad was alpha?)

just a few points to think about before you beleive that affirmations are what made him successful....

Edit: but please tell us more about yourself. I'd like to hear more..


Guess I am not the only with poor observational skills lol jokeess
Nobody here said you was bullshitting and what I said was the concept of affirmations was hooey I didn't say anything about you at all.

Environmental factors front and clout are things you need to take into consideration believe me patnah you eyes will open real wide once you go through some of the material here.

You will probably get pissed before accepting this fact but trust me its only a step in the right direction, now its the fact if you're ready To take the red pill and accept things for what they are that will make or break you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:04 am 
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Thinkpositve wrote:
Hey man ,

I am sorry, I thought you called me a puss, i hope you can forgive me , the reason i was so defensive is I had other guys on this forum were saying I was bullshitting.
Ok my image may have been a bit strong, this is because I read your post as a plug for Cory's products, 'attract beautiful women wherever you go' is a classic pua selling point and I have a strong opinion of these scumbags.

The truth, whether or not you choose to accept it is, affirmations aren't the magic pill answer and they're definitely not the sole contributor to your success.

Like Sniper said, Cory (and some other coaches) advocates a reckless life devoid of responsibility for your livelihood, I used to think there was something cool about these guys jobless couch surfing, living in a car but hey they get to fuck all these women so that's gotta make up for it, because in the end pussy makes it all worthwhile. :lol: :roll:

Sooner or later you'll have to face the reality that you've been had.....and the reason you're getting angry at us telling you this is because part of you knows, but your mind won't accept all the hard work it's put in.

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The Kidd!! wrote:

But now that you've seen the rabbit hole...only by freeing your mind even further will you TRULY be able to see how far it REALLY goes. :ugeek:
got ya :mrgreen:

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Thinkpositve wrote:
Hey man ,

I am sorry, I thought you called me a puss, i hope you can forgive me , the reason i was so defensive is I had other guys on this forum were saying I was bullshitting.
Sure, no problem... Where are you from by the way ?


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Alchemist wrote:
Like Sniper said, Cory (and some other coaches) advocates a reckless life devoid of responsibility for your livelihood, I used to think there was something cool about these guys jobless couch surfing, living in a car but hey they get to fuck all these women so that's gotta make up for it, because in the end pussy makes it all worthwhile. :lol: :roll:
actually when you look deeper most of the mainstream seduction Gurus are not really homeless or couch surfing or living in a car.

David D.
Brent
David Wygant
Johnny Soporno
Neil Strauss
Adam Lyons
Hypnotica
David X

most of these guys already had money and were doing great financially from other businesses before they went into the PUA stuff. I never came across a famous seduction Guru who is broke and lives in his car.

I have met a few naturals (not so many) in my life who were broke and still got chicks but they had a vision and clear plans about the future and they were working hard towards their main goal: to get to the place of financial freedom- women saw that it was their vibe and they found that attractive.

There is also the environmental factors- if you live in an area where many\most single guys are bums and don't have their shit together - then yea you can still get women. But try being a broke guy who lives in his car in let's say: LA, New York or Vegas where you compete with a lot of guys who have their shit together financially.

Think about it, this stuff goes way more deep than it looks on the surface.

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most of these guys already had money and were doing great financially from other businesses before they went into the PUA stuff. I never came across a famous seduction Guru who is broke and lives in his car.
which is why a lot of people should stop saying it was affirmations and other menial things which made them successful. not saying their mindset didn't help, but if you have something people want they will AUTOMATICALLY gravitate to you more.
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I have met a few naturals (not so many) in my life who were broke and still got chicks but they had a vision and clear plans about the future and they were working hard towards their main goal: to get to the place of financial freedom- women saw that it was their vibe and they found that attractive.
this has some truth to it.
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There is also the environmental factors- if you live in an area where many\most single guys are bums and don't have their shit together - then yea you can still get women.

But they are still fulfilling something!

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Think about it, this stuff goes way more deep than it looks on the surface.
it sure does

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which is why a lot of people should stop saying it was affirmations and other menial things which made them successful. not saying their mindset didn't help, but if you have something people want they will AUTOMATICALLY gravitate to you more.
It's easy to change your mindset once You Know you have something that bitches want:
may it be Front, Clout, environmental factors or all three...

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That's more than enough food for thought for now, fellas...let's let this thread marinate a bit and give our new friend a chance to read, absorb and introspect. :ugeek:

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So many attacks from so many angles? Poor guy :)

Affirmations (read: visualizations with theta music) does work and I definatly saw the difference. I've written a detailed post about it in the review section (here: http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=727).

I have always been a cheerleader for visualizations, but haven't posted much latey. Why? Because I'm not completly sure anymore whether it's the best way to go. I do think there are something way more effective out there (right now I am doing subs), as visualizing stuff every day was too much work and the result varied very much from day to day.

I think the problem with visualizing/affirmation is that the process itself makes it very hard to let go of the desire (I hope subs is better in that regard).

Anyway, I agree that visualizing is needy, but far less than the PUA-stuff. It made me far less needy when I went from the PUA-stuff to visualizations.


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So many attacks from so many angles? Poor guy :)
I suggest you read the whole thread again, slowly.

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@GK
I believe that you can visualise and affirm, but the changes seem to happen when you are no longer consciously thinking about it..


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The Kidd!! wrote:
it wasn't the affirmations...it was your change in perspective. You choosing to actively pursue a social life independent of women is what ultimately helped you achieve the success you have today.
That.

I'm hesitant to bring up Cory again, but I have some thoughts on which I think are relevant to the thread.

Some things Cory says often:

Becoming great with women isn't about women, it's about becoming a great man

Always look and dress your best - i.e. front

Go out to have fun, have a great social life, don't go out to get women - see Kidd quote above

Be comfortable with yourself and who you are etc.

If you look at the testimonials page on Cory's website you can see a before and after pics of that guy from the vid that was linked. Before his image was completely different, and he said he just sat in playing video games all the time. Affirmations helped him change his mindset, but that doesn't make them necessary or magic.

Cory has said he was great with women from an early age, he just decided he was gonna go for it before he had too much society bullshit in his mind, so he started getting girls before it became a big deal. He didn't start doing affirmations until years later, at which point he was already successful. In which case he wasn't so much affirming, as re-affirming. Sounds similar to something someone on here has said 8-)

And maybe the biggest thing - Cory says 'there are already women out there that want you, you just don't believe it'. So guys start doing affirmations, and expect them to work, so they go out looking for women that like them, and expect it, so they're tuned into it, and they notice it. But it wasn't the affirmations that did the work, it was tuning their perception in to noticing it, combined with getting their shit together in other areas (i.e. front, image etc. sense of deserving etc.). So they work for some guys, but it isn't that affirmations magically made them attractive. And for all the guys who have success with affirmations, there are just as many who fail with them. That's why confirmation is great, because it leads to the same result, but without all the struggle and effort. You accept them because they are true.

For me it's 2 paths to the same place, only one is much smoother than the other.


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Matty wrote:
Cory has said he was great with women from an early age, he just decided he was gonna go for it before he had too much society bullshit in his mind, so he started getting girls before it became a big deal. He didn't start doing affirmations until years later, at which point he was already successful. In which case he wasn't so much affirming, as re-affirming. Sounds similar to something someone on here has said 8-)
exacly, that was my point... Corry used affirmations as a reminder of what he already had before. He didn't use affirmations to create a new reality that he didn't know before.

I'm not saying don't do affirmations but I did notice something - when I went to Corry's forum once and read some of the threads over there I noticed that:

there were guys who said 'wow affirmations really work' But then they came back to the forum two months or three months later and said: I don't know what happened- it doesn't work anymore :(

Also, we agreed that Corry had a strong Front. I don't know about his Clout but I beleive his
'environmental factors' also played a role - I think that he hang out with people who were good with women from a young age (he says he didn't know any naturals when he grew up but maybe it's marketing pitch? All teachers say that they were nerds until one day they 'saw the light'- and then you find out about their past).

'friends factor' is under 'environmental factors' (BTW):
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =21&t=1279

I don't know :roll: I could be wrong but after watching his videos my gut tells me that he hung out with guys who were good with women from a young age And I don't beleive that he hung out with nerds. Can we really know what his history was?

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